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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin III, James White, Field, Yates, Mena Kimes.
00:11All right, so first play we're going to look at, second and two, one of the Patriots' first
00:14offensive plays.
00:20What's going on, everyone?
00:21Mike Cadillac, Taylor Kiles here for CLNS Media, back with another episode of the Patriots
00:25daily podcast powered by prize picks and game time.
00:29We'll talk about them a little later, but first, Taylor, let's talk about Patriots versus
00:34Bears coming up in week 10.
00:36The Pats at two and seven headed to Chicago this weekend to take on the four and four
00:41Chicago Bears.
00:42The Bears are four and oh at home this season, oh and four on the road, so a bit of an uphill
00:46climb for the Patriots this weekend.
00:48Obviously, there's topics to talk about around the head coaches, Gerard Mayo going through
00:52some growing pains through his first year, Matt Eberfloos gets another season this year,
00:57Shane Waldron as the OC not doing great, Eberfloos catching a lot of heat as well,
01:02but obviously the number one storyline is these two quarterbacks.
01:05Number one overall in Caleb Williams, number three overall in Drake May facing off.
01:10Drake May talked about it this week, said that him and May, excuse me, him and Caleb
01:14Williams have had quite the relationship since they were in high school.
01:17They went to the Elite 11 together.
01:19They've kept in touch.
01:20They met at the Combine there, he called themselves, he called them friends and so thought it was
01:25pretty cool that they were going to face off this weekend and I think that's probably
01:28the number one storyline heading into this one.
01:29So since that is the storyline, Taylor did us a solid dug into the film on the two potentially
01:36star quarterbacks, both playing pretty well this season.
01:40Caleb's had some up and downs, May on a good trajectory.
01:42The turnovers are an issue that we've talked about a little bit, but Taylor, let's compare
01:46these guys a little bit further.
01:47We're going to talk about them passing in general, their ability to scramble and their
01:52ability to throw the football downfield.
01:54So first and foremost, take us through what you got on the passing stuff and just in general,
01:58I guess on these two quarterbacks heading into Sunday.
02:00Yeah.
02:01So first of all, when you look at like, we know that there are similar prospects in that
02:04they're mobile.
02:05They've got great arms, really smart guys as well.
02:08Great feel for the game, like natural instincts that allow them to thrive and that's why they've
02:12had success so far.
02:13Now when it comes to their supporting cast, they're kind of, they're similar in that neither
02:17has a great offensive line and a lot of that has to do to injury like Darnell Wright.
02:22Tackle is not going to play Braxton Jones is injured.
02:24So they're dealing with some stuff there.
02:26It's kind of affected their run games, but when you look at the actual weaponry, like
02:29Caleb Williams is in a very different place than Drake may where Drake, you know, a lot
02:34of young guys that are still coming along, still learning the game.
02:37The one veteran that you have that you rely on and Kendrick Bourne at wide receiver at
02:40least is someone who's still himself coming along because he came off the torn ACL rehab
02:45all summer and every week, you know, we talked about getting to his right depth in his routes
02:50on the scramble play, maybe not moving around enough.
02:52So he's still getting his feet under him, but still got Hunter Henry, old 85 reliable
02:56guy, Henry Mondrey, Stevenson, and reliable outlet from the backfield.
03:01But then Caleb Williams has Roma dunes, a first round, even Allen, another like very
03:06savvy veteran who obviously has a great feel for space and is a pretty reliable pass catcher.
03:11Then DJ more who, you know, enough said one of those explosive players in the NFL, then
03:16Cole can add another reliable tight end who can block and be a pass catcher, kind of like
03:20Hunter Henry, maybe a little bit more dynamic and Deandre Swift, another solid back out
03:25of the backfield.
03:26So you're saying, okay, you'd think that Caleb Williams would be thriving right now and Drake
03:30may obviously he's had his ups and downs.
03:32We'll get into those, but he's still played pretty well.
03:34When you look at the numbers, Drake by quite a few metrics has been better than Caleb Williams.
03:39The biggest difference I think when it comes to why that's the case is the scheme.
03:43I think Dan Orlovsky did a great job breaking it down on ESPN, but Shane Waldron, we kind
03:49of said this, I think earlier in the week, Shane Waldron is what Patriots fans think
03:52Alex Van Pelt is where it's like, you're not using anybody the way they're supposed to
03:56be used.
03:57The spacing sucks all the time.
03:58Nothing makes sense.
03:59And like, we all know Alex Van Pelt hasn't been perfect.
04:02Some of the, you know, end of half play calling has been a bit spotty.
04:05He called the last two plays against the Titans before regulation Patriots, Alaska offensive
04:10plays.
04:11The two most disappointing plays for him of the entire game.
04:14Didn't put it on the play calling, put it on execution, which it feels like has been
04:17the case anytime they have a failed two minute drill.
04:20It's like, yes, we can absolutely question the decision, but also it's not like guys
04:23are blocking it up.
04:24Well, and it's just a great defensive play.
04:26Usually they end up failing.
04:28But for the most part, Alex Van Pelt, he's still figuring out how to use his weapons
04:32and you can see that.
04:33And when you have so much turnover like they've had, that makes sense.
04:36But still for the most part, there's not a whole lot of times where I'm looking at the
04:39tape thinking, what in the world is this offense?
04:41This is ridiculous.
04:42This doesn't make sense.
04:44That's not the case with the Bears.
04:45Chan Waldron's guy who has more experience and he's from a tree where you'd expect him
04:49to be, you know, one of the more premier offensive coordinators that was added.
04:53Instead, you have the issues that people think of with Van Pelt where players are in kind
04:57of awkward roles.
04:58The route spacing is not very good.
05:00There's plays where kind of like the Patricia years where receivers aren't even looking
05:04at the quarterback when he hits the top of his drop and it forces some weird inconsistencies.
05:09And when you look at where Caleb Williams struggles, it's a combination of, yeah, some,
05:12you know, bad accuracy at times, but also it just feels like he and his receivers really
05:16aren't on the same page.
05:18So that's really the overview of what's been going on around them.
05:20But before we get into the actual tape and the stats and everything that you got, I just,
05:25as you started to talk about Waldron and the tree he's from, and I saw you kind of saw
05:29the wheels turn a little bit and I went to say it, but everyone says that Van Pelt is
05:34or what you're saying, Waldron is what people think Van Pelt is right.
05:38And Shane Waldron, he interviewed for the Patriots OC job this off season.
05:41I totally forgot about that.
05:42I just had to, I thought of it.
05:44I couldn't tell if I was right and that I double checked and he did and everyone wanted
05:47the Shanahan guy, the McVay guy.
05:49He worked under Shannon or McVay, excuse me, in LA.
05:52Then he went to Seattle and was, had a very up and down career.
05:55There was the thing with Jackson Smith and Jigbo when he was talking about how he got
05:59hired by the bears and he was like, Oh boy.
06:01And like,
06:03yeah, no, I'm just kidding.
06:04It was just like, or even a crystal lava.
06:06I think it was.
06:07Yeah.
06:08That's who it was.
06:09Yeah.
06:10So, I mean, interesting.
06:11Right.
06:12You wonder, you could have had Shane Waldron instead of you have Alex Van Pelt.
06:13I don't know who you would rather at this point, both struggling in their own, in their
06:16own different ways.
06:17But yeah, I thought it was interesting that Shane Waldron could have been here, but now
06:19he's in Chicago.
06:20Yeah.
06:21So now we're going to break down the stats and I'm going to have some tape on and you
06:25kind of explain why these guys have been struggling and where they've had success, especially
06:28in the areas where we really know them for like the scrambling ability of downfield passing.
06:33But first we're going to start off with an overview, really where these guys have been
06:36overall as passers.
06:38Now Drake Mays dropped back 147 times this season, Caleb, or at least since week six.
06:43So Caleb Williams obviously has played the entire season.
06:46Drake Mays started in week six, but for Caleb Williams, I kind of just wanted to give them
06:49that last month.
06:50Cause in the NFL, you're typically scouting from the last four games.
06:53Sometimes you extend it to six kind of depends on the situation, but we're going with a month.
06:57So over that span, Drake May has 30 more dropbacks than Caleb Williams, but he's been
07:01more accurate.
07:02He's actually been accurate on 64.8% of his passes as Drake May Caleb Williams, only 57.7
07:10for Drake May.
07:11That's top 10 in the NFL.
07:13Obviously not so much for Caleb Williams.
07:15Then you look at production.
07:16So passing touchdowns, big time throws, both of those Drake may has six turnover worthy
07:21plays.
07:22Drake may has eight.
07:23All three of those are top 10 with Caleb Williams.
07:25Not quite as productive.
07:26All right.
07:27Instead of six passing touchdowns, like Drake, he has four.
07:30He has half as many big time throws with three and then turn over where the plays.
07:34That's the one area where he's been decisively better.
07:36He's done a great job protecting the football, Caleb Williams, only one turnover worthy play.
07:41So really impressive there from the since week six or that's five or eight overall in
07:48the season, but either way last month, last four, no, it's only been three games for Caleb
07:52Williams.
07:54But much better job from the young guy getting over that turnover problem.
07:58And with Drake may, that was one thing that he's discussed.
08:01That's one thing also that Dan Pelt discussed today.
08:03They've got to get better or Drake may does when it comes to those turnover worthy plays.
08:07Now where do those come from?
08:08Drake, right?
08:09We've discussed it on the show, but just quick recap.
08:11A lot of those have come one from poor accuracy where sometimes the ball will sail on him.
08:15And even last week where he under throws it and it ends up getting picked off.
08:19The biggest thing for me though, on these turn of worthy plays is when he's in the pocket
08:23trying to maybe extend the play and doesn't feel a backside rusher and ends up getting
08:27strip sack.
08:28That's happened a couple of times now with this bears defense, they will take that ball
08:32away.
08:33If you hold it out there, Montez sweat, we know who's going to be playing this weekend.
08:36So those are, that's going to be a very big area of emphasis for Drake may one, especially
08:40when that pressure's coming at him.
08:42Cause that's where you typically see sometimes a rush decision, or sometimes he can't quite
08:45get the ball out the way he wants to.
08:47We'll talk more about that kind of thing later, but Drake may been the much bigger play threat
08:52overall with his legs and with his arm, Caleb William struggling.
08:56But again, a lot of it has to do with the coordination of the offense in the way that
09:00he's having to read out these really funky plays or as a Drake may the talent's been,
09:05or the issue has been more of the lack of talent around him.
09:08And then obviously the offensive line struggles and not really having a run game that he can
09:11fall back on.
09:12Yeah, they're definitely both, uh, you know, from what I remember, obviously in college
09:16watching them a little bit and then what we've seen in league so far, guys who, you know,
09:20you can trust their arm.
09:21You know, you can trust their arm strength.
09:22They can put the ball pretty much anywhere.
09:23I do think it's interesting that no first couple of weeks, I know Caleb was a little,
09:28I don't want to even say turnover happy cause I don't have the stats in front of me, but
09:31the fact that he's kind of honed that in since week six and only had one turnover worthy
09:35play since then over three games tells me that, you know, with Drake may right now,
09:40his whole thing is, well, we've got to limit the turnovers and don't put the ball in harm's
09:43way and got to protect the football.
09:45It's going to kind of be, at least in my opinion, and it's like an experience thing and get
09:49out there and get a feel for the game.
09:50And hopefully as the season goes on, he can have that similar trajectory of, of Caleb
09:54Williams as protecting the football, as he understands and, you know, gets a feel more
09:58for the speed of the NFL, uh, and things of that nature.
10:01So hopefully something that we can look forward to if he takes the same trajectory as, as
10:04Caleb.
10:05And when it comes to the defense, it's like the bears don't have a ton of picks, but they
10:08force a lot of fumbles.
10:09So again, that's where I'm thinking Drake may ding, ding, ding.
10:11Like we'll let this, I think back in week one, it was very similar to Drake may trying
10:15to flick it to Jamichael Hasty, where you start rolling to the right, don't feel the
10:19backside pressure, try to throw it and it gets knocked out.
10:21I saw the play and I was like, geez, that was like deja vu.
10:24The fumbles are my biggest concern, but with the Patriots, they haven't forced a whole
10:28lot of turnovers.
10:29And you know, you have the Jelani to buy interception, obviously a lot of that had to do with the
10:32fact that if I got popped up in the air, DeMarcus Covington was asked, you know, how do you
10:36try to create more of those turnovers with Kyle, with no Kyle Duggar, obviously that's
10:40tough.
10:41No Jabril Peppers.
10:42Like those are the guys you really think of as your playmakers on defense.
10:45Jelani to buy really hasn't been that guy the way he was last season.
10:48And he was saying, you know, we have a certain thing that we study every week where like
10:52which guys are holding onto the ball and they're being loose with it or disrespectful, which
10:56I kind of like that.
10:57And those are the guys they try to target and punch it out.
10:59Now, Caleb is not one of those guys.
11:01If he feels pressure, he does a great job getting two hands on the ball, especially
11:04when he's in the pocket.
11:05And then when he gets out, if he feels that rush or he really kind of holds it away from
11:09them.
11:10So it's going to be tough because again, Caleb Williams is not putting the ball in harm's
11:12way.
11:13So I'm pretty sure it's, this is probably going to be a very tight game.
11:15You're going to have to find some way to generate a turnover.
11:18And also obviously Drake, make sure he protects the ball and everyone in general to make sure
11:22you're not giving away free possessions.
11:24Shady McCoy, one of the most disrespectful players in NFL history with the football in
11:27his hands, holding that thing out like a loaf of bread.
11:30All right, let's get to the scrambling Taylor because DeMarcus Covington, Gerard Mayo, both
11:34asked about Caleb Williams this week and talking about his ability to use his legs.
11:38Mayo noting that he really scrambles to throw and not scrambles to run.
11:42And then Drake may, we've seen it the last couple of weeks, obviously ran for 95 yards
11:46last week on eight or nine carries, uh, had over 12 yards per carry.
11:50And he's also doing so with no design run.
11:52So he's making things happen, uh, breaking the pocket and things of that nature.
11:56So take us through a little bit how both of these guys use those legs of theirs to make
11:59things happen.
12:00Yeah.
12:01So it's kind of funny.
12:02Drake may obviously had more of his success as a scrambler earlier on when he was starting
12:06by throwing, but he has the Titans.
12:09They did such a good job getting back in coverage, Mac matching routes and zone.
12:12He was like, you know what you're going to rush for drop seven.
12:16I'm just going to take off.
12:17And I asked him about that.
12:18He said that was really more instinctive for him, but with Drake may, you have to be worried
12:21about both.
12:22He also said this bears defense plays a lot of zone.
12:24It was kind of funny because when he answered the question about the bears, I was like,
12:27so it sounds like you're going to be doing a lot of the same things.
12:30And ironically, the bears have actually been one of the worst defenses in the NFL when
12:34it comes to defending quarterback scrambles.
12:36I believe they've allowed the third most conversions since week five against those
12:40types of plays.
12:41So it could be a big day for Drake may again on the ground, but obviously you don't want
12:45him having to run to carry your entire offense.
12:48When you look at these guys on scrambles, again, all of these stats are since week six,
12:52we're only looking back about a month, which is, you know, three games and a little bit
12:55more for Drake may.
12:57And then three games for Kayla Williams.
12:58Now when you look at their run pass ratios, Drake may is about even, right?
13:02He's thrown 12 times, he's run 10 times.
13:05So you really don't know what you're going to get once he gets out of the pocket or,
13:08you know, if he's in those situations, it could be either, or Kayla Williams, like DeMarcus
13:12Covington and Gerard Mayo said, he does a good job of keeping his eyes down field.
13:17So his ratio is 15 passes to eight runs.
13:20So really you got to plaster on the back end.
13:22If he gets outside the pocket, those guys that need to make sure they have their eyes
13:25on the receivers.
13:26So there's no big play opportunities.
13:28And the guys in the front need to make sure that they're able to have good gap integrity.
13:33So when you have an opportunity to take down Kayla Williams, it's kind of like Ben Roethlisberger,
13:37where you need to be very careful with how aggressive you're being in your pursuit, because
13:41otherwise those guys are very good at making people miss.
13:44And when it comes to accuracy on the run, Drake may has been significantly better.
13:48Okay.
13:49With people over the past four weeks who've had at least 10 throws on scrambles, he and
13:54Patrick Mahomes are tied for the highest accuracy rate at 77.8%.
14:00Williams, not been quite as good, all right, worse than half of that.
14:04He's been 37.5% on scramble.
14:08So you still have to respect the ability because this dude has the flexibility, the arm strength
14:13and elasticity to be able to throw off of any platform to any part of the field.
14:17So the stats may say that, but you cannot let that let you be lax at day school when
14:23you're trying to corral him.
14:24And again, when you're on the back end and having to play that plaster technique.
14:27Now conversions, they're about the same.
14:29Mace had 10 conversions on scrambles, both from passes and runs.
14:33Caleb Williams has had eight, just a couple fewer, but they really scramble at about the
14:36same rate.
14:37Another big difference.
14:38Drake Mace had three big time throws while scrambling.
14:42Obviously last week had the great winter to Mario Douglas when he was rolling to his right.
14:46Caleb Williams has zero.
14:48So again, he hasn't been very threatening over the past month when he has broken the
14:52pocket, but you can't sleep on him, but just something to understand and kind of keep in
14:56the back of your head.
14:57Obviously something about him and his receivers not being on the same page, but also frankly,
15:01there's been times that I saw where Caleb Williams is trying to make one of those cross
15:04body throws and ends up throwing behind his receiver.
15:07Neither of these guys has turned the ball over when they scramble.
15:10That's really big because obviously young quarterbacks, one of your worst nightmares
15:13is them getting out of the pocket and having some kind of bow and head decision where they
15:17throw across their body like Matt Jones against Dallas into really bad looks.
15:21So these guys both obviously extremely, extremely dangerous on the run.
15:25The bears defense has been much more susceptible.
15:28So I feel much better about Drake May in that matchup.
15:31Obviously she talked about a strength against a weakness, whereas the Patriots, you're talking
15:34about their strength right now against not a weakness for Caleb Williams, but an area
15:39where he hasn't had much success because the Patriots have been one of the best defenses
15:43in the NFL over the past month against scrambles.
15:46According to PFF, at least they may have missed a couple, but they have them for zero conversions
15:50on scrambles.
15:51I'm not sure that's true.
15:52I think they had one, I know they had one against, uh, against, um, Mason Rudolph.
15:58I know Dietrich wives was upset with himself.
16:00He said, yeah, I kind of let the guy outside the pocket, but for the most part, they've
16:03done a really good job keeping guys contained, especially in passing situations, because
16:07what they'll do, they'll send five rushers and it's coordinated.
16:11So like we saw with Anthony Jennings, where he'll knife inside Keon white loops around,
16:16and then you have a defensive tackle, essentially spying in case there's an avenue to escape
16:20so he can spy that guy.
16:21So I'm feeling a lot better about the Patriots on these scramble plays, both on offense and
16:25defense, but you cannot sleep on the bears on either side of the ball either.
16:29Cause they were very good defensive team.
16:31And Caleb Williams is one of the most talented quarterbacks already in the NFL.
16:35There's, um, I think it's going to time up.
16:36Oh no, it's not.
16:37I wanted it to time up with one of those clips.
16:39It's the second clip in the reel and it's, it has to do with Gerard, not this one.
16:44It's the one of Caleb, not this play.
16:46The next one where he talks about scrambling to scrambling, to throw, not scrambling to
16:49run his ability to decide.
16:52I'm going to run.
16:53Wait, no, I'm, I don't like that lane.
16:54And then instead of not even panicking, but changing his mindset of I'm running, I'm breaking
16:59pocket in a different place and not just saying I'm still going to run because he's then able
17:03to reset, find something else and go downfield.
17:06That's very impressive to me.
17:07That's something where I feel like when you decide to run, you don't re decide to pass
17:11if you know what I mean, because you're just going to kind of go with it.
17:13But his ability to do that was pretty impressive.
17:15So going to be interesting to see like right here, you see like what the two hands on the
17:18ball.
17:19Yes.
17:20He thinks about running.
17:21Nope.
17:22He gets away and he makes sure up two hands just in case.
17:24So you'd love to see that out of young players.
17:25No, it's good stuff.
17:26It's like you said, it's, it's interesting where, you know, may may has the big playability
17:31right now.
17:32Not happening as much with Caleb, but you, you can't sleep on that, right?
17:34You can't use necessarily those stats or those numbers to be like, eh, he's not going to
17:38do it to us.
17:39You always got to be careful because we've seen it in college, we've seen in the pros,
17:42he can make things happen.
17:43All right.
17:44Let's talk about throwing the football again, specifically downfield throws.
17:46This is where they make their bread and butter.
17:47This is how a explosive teams want to play football and how you ultimately score points
17:52in this league.
17:53Drake may Caleb Williams have both done it a pretty solidly college in the pros, but
17:56take us through the real numbers on it and some of the film as well.
18:00Yeah.
18:01So ironically, these guys have actually struggled going downfield recently.
18:05Now Drake may in his first few starts with one of the better downfield passes in the
18:08league specifically on deep throws, but against the Titans, he went over five on those types
18:13of throws and was up and down.
18:15And I think he was three or five or something like that on intermediate throws, including
18:19some really rough choices like the interception that we've broken down or a turnover worthy
18:23play where he tries to target Kendrick Horne down the sideline and rather than throwing
18:27a back shoulder, he threw it inside and it almost got picked off.
18:31And then obviously the deep ball where he kind of under threw it.
18:34Now for Drake may, you're not thinking that's a longterm issue, right?
18:36You're talking about a very good Titans defense where again, there were some bad decisions,
18:41but also those guys don't make it easy.
18:43And the throw that he overthrew, that's very rare that Drake may is going to mess up situations
18:48was one of the most accurate, uh, deep or downfield throwers in the league before that.
18:52But when you actually look at the numbers since week six on throws of 10 or more areas,
18:56which are considered downfield 10 to 19 intermediate 20 or more is deep.
19:00They've attempted about the same number.
19:02So 37 for Drake may 33 for Caleb Williams.
19:05They are both bottom 10 in the NFL in, or at least they're high and uncatchable throw
19:10rate.
19:11So not only in terms of ranking, but top 10 in terms of the actual number, Drake mays
19:14at 43.2% of his downfield passes that haven't been catchable.
19:19Caleb Williams is at 48.4%.
19:21Then you look at yards per attempt.
19:23Also bottom 10 in the NFL.
19:24You've got Drake made 8.9 Caleb Williams, 7.9 passer rating.
19:28Stop me.
19:29If you've heard this one before bottom 10 in the NFL, 68.6 for Drake may 75.4 for Caleb
19:35Williams.
19:36Now for Drake may most of that, the bad has come from the turnover where the plays, which
19:40really kind of spiraled out of control against the Titans and kind of tanked his numbers.
19:44He has five return over where the plays on downfield throws, I believe that second worst
19:49in the NFL.
19:50Since he's become a starter, Caleb Williams, like I said, has protected ball very well.
19:54His only turnover worthy play was on a downfield throw.
19:57So obviously these guys have the talent.
19:59And like I said before, you don't want to sleep on Caleb Williams just because they've
20:02been inconsistent because he's way too talented.
20:05Drake may, I can very much see this being a bounce back game in terms of at least not
20:09putting the ball in harm's way.
20:10Now the bears do a great, great job, especially on the back end.
20:14They don't give up a lot of explosive plays.
20:17Tyreek Stevenson has like three pass breakups.
20:19They're one of the top teams in the league when it comes to getting their hands on passes.
20:23Not a lot of turnovers, but they do force in completion.
20:26So it's not going to be easy, but with Drake may, if he is going to push the ball down
20:29field, he needs to at least make sure he's not putting it in harm's way, both decision
20:34making wise and accuracy wise.
20:35Glad you mentioned, glad you mentioned Tyreek Stevenson in this talking about this game
20:39and not just the gaff he had against Washington a couple of weeks ago, it was like, yeah,
20:42that shit's going to happen.
20:43And yeah, maybe he should have been benched for a little bit like he was, but you know,
20:46a second or third round pick from two years ago, still a really good player.
20:50Someone you have to worry about, even though he did mess up, he, you know, he apologized
20:53for his mistake and all that crap, but I felt so bad, man.
20:55People were dogging him.
20:56I'm like, that was stupid.
20:57Like that was really stupid, but you're a young player.
21:00I think bears fans, once he apologized, I feel like they took it pretty well.
21:05So I mean, look, they're having, they're struggling in their secondary in the back
21:08end as well.
21:09Brisker has heard Jalen Johnson goes on IR, so they're going to need this guy anyway.
21:13So yeah, hopefully they, they, they realize that Stevenson's a pretty good player and
21:17it's going to bounce back.
21:18So all right, well, that's our breakdown on may versus Kayla Williams, number one versus
21:22number three.
21:24That's the really bears heavy stuff we're going to get to for this episode.
21:27We have a ton of mailbag questions that we took on Twitter, so we want to get to as many
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21:32We're going to answer your questions.
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23:32All right, Taylor.
23:33Let's get to the mailbag.
23:34Get it.
23:35Well, I'm going to go to the chat first.
23:39Old man mob.
23:40I think we have old man mob in our tweets as well.
23:43So we'll get to him.
23:44What is the Patriot clock wood flag thing that's behind me?
23:48That is my cousin's, actually now husband who just got married, makes these, American
23:52palette design.
23:53I'll plug him right now.
23:55He makes them.
23:56So he made me that a couple of years ago.
23:59It's not a clock.
24:00It's a, you know, a palette with some paint and Patriots logo, but yeah, it's pretty cool.
24:03So old man mob, I'll hit you up.
24:05I'll hook you up with American palette design.
24:07We'll go from there.
24:08All right, let's go into the real questions now.
24:12First and foremost, Taylor, who's to blame for the Patriots lack of a running game and
24:17what has made this defense look so soft.
24:19So those are the kind of the two things outside of the kicking game that Mayo's mentioned.
24:22You got to be able to run the football, got to be able to stop the run.
24:25Pat's haven't been able to do either.
24:26Who and what is to blame?
24:28Yeah.
24:29So you could definitely say that like, oh, van Pelt isn't giving quite enough window
24:32dressing, right?
24:33Like he doesn't use a ton of motion in his run game.
24:36You know, with you look at a lot of these Shanahan West Coast offenses, they'll have
24:39the tight ends moving in different ways.
24:41It gives them some advantageous angles or gives them a little bit of momentum in their
24:45blocks.
24:46Sometimes, you know, you'll have receivers motion a certain way to create stress on the
24:49defense.
24:50That's not really in his wheelhouse.
24:51I don't think the Patriots hired him thinking he was going to be that.
24:53And I think it's kind of unfair for us to put that on him because there's a lot of coaches
24:57in the NFL that don't really subscribe to that type of motion.
25:00Now, that being said, the end of the day, like Rod Mayo says, at some point, you need
25:05to run the ball when they know you're going to run.
25:07The Patriots can't run the ball when teams have no idea that they're going to run because
25:10they're so bad at it.
25:11They don't really care that they're going to run.
25:13The biggest thing has been execution.
25:15Now, on the left side of the line was where I saw most of the issues last week where Darian
25:19Lowe acknowledged he did not have his best game.
25:22The offensive line did not have their best games.
25:24He had a miscommunication where he didn't hear a can call or they switched runs.
25:28There were some times where he and Michael Jordan's double teams weren't very good and
25:31you saw some penetration there.
25:34Or even sometimes where they would get to the second level and miss that guy.
25:38And then even on the right side, like Mike and when you mentioned today that he is kind
25:41of disappointed in how he's played this season.
25:43And I understand why he's been pretty inconsistent.
25:46And even on the right side with him and Demontre Jacobs, like there have been some flashes,
25:50but those guys really haven't really been doing enough either.
25:53Ben Jones has been solid, but I mean, you kind of expect it's not going to be great
25:57from him really.
25:58He's a replacement level player and that's really what you're getting.
26:01Although obviously his effort has been very good.
26:04Now with the Patriots putting Mike and one who had left guard, we talked to him about
26:07that today.
26:08Um, I asked him specifically, is it because of the ground game where you're trying to
26:11get more going?
26:12He's like, Oh, I actually don't know.
26:14Ask the coaches tomorrow.
26:15I'll try to ask Scott Peters, get a little more information on that.
26:18But putting Leighton Robinson in the lineup last week, knowing you were facing Jeffrey
26:21Simmons.
26:22My thought was this is because they want to get the run game going.
26:25Now Leighton Robinson is back in the lineup, which that in its own, I'm not upset with
26:31because the bears don't have a great interior, especially without Andrew Billings.
26:35So he's not going to have to face a Jeffrey Simmons and maybe this is a good week to get
26:38his confidence back.
26:39Yeah.
26:40I love the idea of putting Mike and when he went left one, because he hasn't played there
26:42in so long, we have no idea how comfortable he's going to be.
26:45I asked him, I was like, is that like wiping with the other hand?
26:48Like, is it kind of weird?
26:49And everybody laughed.
26:51I thought that was kind of a common thing.
26:52And I was like, I guess that maybe I sounded kind of crazy.
26:55But he did mention that.
26:56Yeah, it's really more of a mental challenge than a physical challenge, because everything's
26:59converted.
27:00And then on the right side of Leighton Robinson next to another young, inexperienced player
27:05and Demontre Jacobs.
27:07And they've never worked together because the right side has been Mike and when with
27:10one of two spots, it's never been two completely different people.
27:13So this is a huge shakeup of the offensive line that I mean, we'll see how it plays out
27:19if the run game is better because you have your two bigger, more physical guys in there.
27:23Awesome.
27:24But chemistry matters.
27:25And when you downplay it, when I mentioned the effect of chemistry and said, you know,
27:28really, it just comes down to doing it.
27:30But I don't know, man, that's it's going to be hard because you don't know how this other
27:34guy works necessarily.
27:35And when you did mention he and Darian Lowe have worked together before, back last season
27:40when Darian on the right side, though, right?
27:42Yeah, exactly.
27:43But Darian wasn't very good there.
27:45And I think he would probably say that if you asked him, the numbers tell you the story.
27:49I think he told me last year that he was much more comfortable on the left side.
27:53So and it's also different because for them, everything is flipped.
27:55So we'll see how it works.
27:57But at the end of the day, it's execution.
27:59That's what's made them soft.
28:00They're not executing well enough.
28:01That's been two, two and a half weeks in a row.
28:04Something's got to give because they cannot survive what Drake made dropping back and
28:08being the only way that they can get yards on the ground or produce on offense, period.
28:11Yeah, I don't I don't love all the shuffling.
28:14And I get Michael Jordan has been great and they want to try and get him out of the starting
28:18lineup and they trust Leighton Robinson clearly enough to try and throw him out there yet
28:22another time at right guard.
28:24But I like that you mentioned the lack of experience with both him and Jacobs on the
28:27right side.
28:28Yeah, you have Lowe, who's played pretty well at left tackle, at least in pass, bro.
28:33And I know who is relatively reliable, probably your best player right now on the offensive
28:37line.
28:38But switching him to a place that he hasn't played in, what, three seasons now?
28:42I don't love it.
28:43We'll see how it goes.
28:44But I want to.
28:45Yeah.
28:46Another thing I was talking to Brian about this after after practice, there are two players
28:51on the Patriots offensive line who have 17 games of starting experience and only one
28:56who has a full entire season of starting experience on one who's the only one with a full season
29:01of starting experience.
29:02The only one that I believe it's now 17 games is Darian Lowe.
29:05And they're also the only ones I believe that either have been starters at any point before
29:09this season or aren't rookies or like guys that never played before because Darian and
29:14Mike and Winner, who, surprise, surprise, have been your best offensive linemen.
29:17And then DeMontre Jacobs, Leighton Robinson and Ben Brown.
29:21So when people ask, oh, why isn't the offensive line playing that well, it's just as simple
29:26as the personnel where we got in again, Mike and Winner's not playing up to standard.
29:30But I don't think it's a coincidence that they're two best guys and their three best
29:33guys all season have all been people who have started multiple games and also are Darian's
29:39only 25 on the older side and at least have some experience.
29:43All right.
29:44I want to parlay the O-line talk into Cole Strange, who, according to Mark Daniels, is
29:48on track to play again this season.
29:50So if he comes back, Ben Brown struggling on the inside, but there's been flip-flop
29:54left, left guard, right guard.
29:56Michael Jordan played well early, has been playing well of late.
29:59What do you think is the best spot for Cole Strange to play if and when he does end up
30:02being healthy this season?
30:04It's tough because I have a different stance on this offensive line as they move people
30:08around every week.
30:10If the lineup they have right now works out and they are saying we need to put Cole in
30:13the lineup, also just because they love Leighton Robinson clearly and want to keep him on the
30:17field.
30:18I also think Demetre Jacobs every week is earning more and more respect because he's
30:21been solid, man.
30:23It's really hard to critique him given where he came from in terms of the fact that he
30:27was added on the first week of the season, missed training camp and is learning all this
30:31kind of on the fly and is going up against some elite players almost every week.
30:36I think they would want to replace Ben Brown.
30:38As solid as he's been, he doesn't really feel like a net positive.
30:42He's holding it down for sure and has been solid, but Cole Strange, I think on the field
30:46is a net positive.
30:47He's going to have his struggles, but he's still a good player.
30:49Now I don't know when exactly he'll play, even if he gets activated.
30:52The guy hasn't played since last December or January, I believe.
30:56So that's a lot of time to have missed.
30:58I don't think he's going to come back and be the old version of himself.
31:01It's going to take a while, but I would probably lean.
31:05I was thinking left guard maybe when I was thinking that Lane Robinson might not play
31:09for the rest of the season.
31:10Then I knew that Michael Jordan, the lineup, because he's had two really rough weeks.
31:14But yeah, for me, the most sense would probably be putting him in left guard and replacing
31:18Ben Brown.
31:19At center, you mean replacing Ben Brown?
31:21Yes.
31:22Because I'm of the opposite mindset.
31:24I think down the line center would make the most sense.
31:27Just, you know, David Andrews, you don't know how long he's going to be here.
31:30Cole Strange, if he can kind of rejuvenate his career and become a center.
31:34But like right now, putting him in, you don't know how much he's actually snapped football
31:38and gotten reps with the quarterbacks and things like that.
31:41And yes, it does seem like they like Lane Robinson, but ideally you still want to flip
31:45Mike back to that right side.
31:48Then you can put Cole Strange there.
31:49Ben Brown has been up and down.
31:51I know it's not great.
31:52It's just something down.
31:54I know.
31:55Seriously, it rhymes.
31:56But I just, again, my thing is like, all right, a guy hasn't played since last November.
31:59Put them at a spot where he's at least relatively comfortable.
32:02You don't have to worry about snapping and also getting back into game shape and things
32:05like that.
32:06But it's all it's it's too early to tell.
32:08I think, too.
32:09It's going to really depend on where this offensive line is when Cole Strange is actually
32:12ready to play.
32:13Also, Chris Price spoke to Cole today, go in his article.
32:17I'm not going to read the whole thing, but there was a quote where Cole said, I feel
32:20like we're kind of in the final stretch of the rehab process.
32:23I want to be out there more than anyone else wants me out there.
32:26I don't know when it's going to be, but it will be soon.
32:28We're reaching that day soon.
32:30Interesting.
32:31All right.
32:32We'll see what happens.
32:33All right.
32:34Let's look to the other side of the ball for the Pats going up against the Chicago team.
32:36What do you expect with the pass rush?
32:38Seems like a good chance for them to get right compared to any of the other games left.
32:43They're going to be likely without Darnell Wright and their offensive line has struggled
32:46all season long anyway, not you no longer have Josh Uche out there.
32:51But Keon Keon White has been productive pass rushing.
32:55I know you were tweeting a lot about that.
32:56You had a couple of stats out there.
32:58You talked to DeMarcus Covington about it today, even though he's not putting up the
33:01sack numbers, he's been productive.
33:03So is this what do you expect rather from the pass rush this weekend?
33:06I actually think they had a pretty good get right game last week.
33:10It was one of their most productive days rushing the passer.
33:13Anthony Jennings obviously is now an every down player for them.
33:15He looked really good when he was slanting inside or looping online games.
33:19Keon White was on the assisting and a couple of times looping around when Anthony Jennings
33:24was inside.
33:26Obviously not the quickest winner, but one of your better pass rushers, especially technically.
33:31But I asked DeMarcus Covington about the line games and he said that's always been a part
33:35of our defense.
33:36And I just think over time they've gotten better and better at that.
33:38And he also was asked about Keon White and the fact that he hasn't gotten a lot of sacks
33:41recently and Covington was like, yeah, I wish you could get a sack every game.
33:45But he said what I, what he looks at is how often Keon White's affecting the pass or how
33:49often any of his defenders are affecting the passer when they're rushing.
33:52And he said that Keon White does that on a consistent basis.
33:56And the numbers show that as well.
33:57He has more hurries than he does hits and sacks, but you do still see that quarterbacks
34:01are getting the ball out and then they're getting hit.
34:04So Keon White is making his presence felt and I think at the end of the day, that's
34:07the most important thing.
34:08Yeah.
34:09I'm sorry, I was trying to figure out where to transition here.
34:12I felt we had another pass rush question, but we didn't.
34:15But I agree.
34:16I'd like to see Keon get into the mix and continue to produce and keep himself going
34:21on the right track.
34:22Yeah.
34:23Well, I need to buy was pretty effective as a blitzer last week.
34:25Obviously, Kirsten Ellis, when he's won all the facts has been good in that role.
34:28So a little probably pass rush from there as well.
34:30Awesome.
34:31All right.
34:32Wide receiver.
34:33None are traded at the deadline.
34:34KJ Osborne, Taekwon Thornton, the ones people talked about, Kendrick Bourne, even in some
34:38rumors as well.
34:39But now the question is how the rotation is going to work.
34:42And I'll go quickly on this one.
34:45I don't think the rotation is going to change.
34:46I think Taekwon and KJ are still going to be your healthy scratches.
34:50Maybe KJ gets released.
34:51Who knows?
34:52At this point, it's been a couple of days.
34:53Now you wonder what he's thinking, if he even wants to go through that process or if he
34:57just wants to remain.
34:58But I think right now it's it's Taekwon and KJ on the bench.
35:01Javon Baker continues to get some reps.
35:04We'll see what happens with Jalen Polk.
35:05He's really not earning them right now, but he's a player that maybe you want him to just
35:10stay out there and work through it on the field.
35:11But we'll see what happens.
35:12But I don't really expect to see many big changes from wide receiver.
35:15I don't either.
35:16I just think if there's a change, we see more Javon Baker mentioned that he's probably going
35:20to see more snaps this week after getting open a couple of times last week.
35:23And every time Alex Van Pelt talks about Javon Baker, he sounds like a guy you want on the
35:29field.
35:30It's like he's got wiggle.
35:31He's elusive.
35:32He's good in his routes.
35:33You know, he's aggressive off the line.
35:34It's like, yes, yes, yes.
35:35Now, I want to see.
35:36Now, let's see.
35:37Yeah, exactly.
35:38Now, I think if Javon Baker has a good game, we could maybe maybe that's when they release
35:41KJ Osborne.
35:42I think they probably want to keep, you know, one veteran around just in case they really
35:46can't get anything out of these young guys or something happens.
35:51And that's really the only significant shakeup that I see.
35:52I think KJ Osborne and Type 1 Thornton, once again, will be out the scratches.
35:55All right.
35:56On this topic, then a quick one before we go to our game time break.
36:00Are these guys getting open on film?
36:01I know you've talked about Javon Baker a little bit here.
36:03He only had, I think, two routes ran.
36:05He got open on both of them.
36:06But, you know, that and the other guys, what have you what are you seeing from this wide
36:09receiver room?
36:11I see Keishon Booty get open pretty consistently, sometimes against more physical coverage or
36:15guys that are grabby.
36:16You can get kind of stuck.
36:17But he's competitive.
36:18Again, to Mario Douglas, Mario Douglas, enough said.
36:22Kendrick Bourne's been inconsistent.
36:23He falls a lot for some reason.
36:25I've seen two or three games where I'm like, dude, why are you on the ground?
36:29Also the route depth with him hasn't been great.
36:31He acknowledged that where there were two plays I noticed where he was short of the
36:34six on third down.
36:35So he said, yes, I'm getting my feet under me.
36:37I need to make sure I push past so I have space to come back to the ball and still get
36:40the first down.
36:41So Kendrick, Kendrick Bourne's been inconsistent.
36:43He was good on those like curls.
36:45He was getting open, just wasn't, you know, getting the proper depth.
36:49Hunter Henry always open.
36:51Austin Hooper for his skill set has been pretty solid in that regard too.
36:54So yeah, I think guys are getting open.
36:55The bigger issue I would think is like in zones when they need to make sure their spacing
36:59is good.
37:00And a lot of that's to do with the guys inexperience and sometimes getting thrown off their routes.
37:04Like there was one route where Keishon Booty is running a go, essentially a clear out for
37:07an out route from Mario Douglas in the slot.
37:10And Bourne got kind of bullied off the line of scrimmage.
37:12And it took him so long to get into his route that he and Pop ended up basically on the
37:15same plane as to Mario was coming out of the route and that essentially covered his up.
37:20So yeah, really against zone.
37:21I feel like more than man is where I see them struggle to create the kind of separation
37:25you want to see consistently.
37:26But I think that's just also part of the growing pains, but against man, they do a pretty good
37:30job getting open.
37:31Yeah.
37:32I'm glad you mentioned the spacing too.
37:33There's, there's been a lot of that.
37:34I mean, it happened a few times in, I think it was May's first game against Houston.
37:37I want to say where they were, or no, maybe it was Jacksonville where Jalen Polk, Hunter
37:41Henry.
37:42Yeah.
37:43I think something similar happened this past week as well.
37:45I know that doesn't necessarily have to do with getting open.
37:47More has to do with scheme stuff, but, and we'll talk about the scheme a little bit in
37:50a little while, but yeah, glad you mentioned that because that's, that's been an issue
37:53for them as well.
37:55All right.
37:56We're going to continue with the mailbag.
37:57We'll get to some questions in the comments as well.
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39:29It's also time to wrap up this mailbag with a couple final questions here.
39:34So we got this one, and I don't mean it sincerely to ask it.
39:38And the question is, who should replace Gerard Mayo next season?
39:41I don't think, and you don't think that they're going to fire him after one year.
39:44I want to turn this into a different question because I've seen a lot of Ben Johnson rumors
39:49out there from Detroit where he wants the perfect spot.
39:53Adam Schepter reported today he doesn't want to go to Chicago because there's issues there
39:57with ownership and things of that nature.
39:59But the rumor was that Johnson wanted to go to Chicago last year to work with a younger
40:04quarterback.
40:05The reason I'm saying this and adding layers to this, Taylor, is I'm curious to you.
40:10If the Patriots could land Ben Johnson as their head football coach next year, would
40:16you take him over Gerard Mayo?
40:23I just, I don't like the idea of firing a coach with this roster.
40:28I agree with that.
40:29It's so much an experience.
40:30I think it would be a really bad move and a bad look for the Kraft family.
40:34I think it would seem very rash, and I think most people and rational followers of football
40:39would be like, that, you screw that guy.
40:42So no, I think if there's another wonder kid who comes down the line in two years, then
40:47maybe for sure.
40:49And obviously you want someone who can maximize Drake and maximize the offense, and especially
40:54someone like a Shanahan who could stick around for a long time because he's the head coach.
40:57But at the same time, I think that there's so much buying from the players, even through
41:01all the struggles they've had this season in what Gerard Mayo was trying to build.
41:04And they understand this was not going to be a year where they probably know the playoffs.
41:07We all thought if they were, we all, sorry, I thought at least that if they were healthy,
41:11they did have a chance, right?
41:13Because the defense was supposed to be like top 10.
41:15And then the run game, you're thinking if city so is at left guard and he takes a step
41:18forward, you figure out the right side and then you should be able to have a good ground
41:22game.
41:23Obviously that didn't come to fruition.
41:24But yeah, I think it's a bad move.
41:26I selfishly would love Ben Johnson just because of what happened, but also, yeah, you have
41:30to think about reputation and all those things and what message you're sending to the league.
41:35And I think it will just look very reactionary if they let go of Mayo this quickly.
41:38Yeah, I think that's, that's the right way to look at it, where I would rather Ben Johnson
41:43to be the head football coach of the Patriots.
41:44And I think if they knew he'd come, they probably, that probably would be the right decision
41:50for the longterm.
41:51But there are layers to it.
41:54Like you said that, you know, you tell the team, you tell this guy, look, we're going
41:57to, we want you for the foreseeable future.
42:00We want to allow you and Elliot to lay the groundwork and turn this team around.
42:05And everybody knew before the year that it wasn't going to be a one year turnaround.
42:09So it's not like they're necessarily not meeting expectations because there weren't really
42:14that high of expectations.
42:15I don't think through ownership and things like that, but man, he runs a hell of an offense
42:21for those Detroit lions.
42:22And it's one of those things philosophically for me, I think in this day and age, I would
42:28rather a head football coach on the offensive side of the ball because quarterback and offense,
42:32it's that kind of league.
42:33It's most important.
42:34Your offensive coordinator, if he does well under a defensive head coach is going to go
42:37and take a head coaching job, just like Ben Johnson, where Detroit's going to lose Ben
42:40Johnson, but you don't lose them.
42:42If he's the offensive head coach, like a Sean McVay, like an Andy Reid.
42:45So it's a tough fence to kind of lean on right now, but it's obviously a hypothetical,
42:51but figured it's worth talking and kind of hitting with this comment in there.
42:55Also, I saw somebody mentioned that like he wouldn't, I know old man, mom said he wouldn't
42:59come here.
43:00I don't think that's true.
43:01They have money.
43:02They have math capital.
43:03They have plenty, like Drake May, Christian Barmore, Christian Gonzalez, like Mike and
43:08Wenu.
43:09They have a lot of like, Keon White, but they have very good core pieces.
43:14You need to build around that.
43:15But if for whatever reason, you know, Ben Johnson was asked, would you like to be that
43:19coach of the Patriots?
43:20I think this is one of the hottest destinations because you've got your quarterback, two premium
43:23positions filled and plenty of capital over at least this year or probably over the next
43:27few years to fill everything out.
43:29I think the quarterback's massive.
43:30You're totally right.
43:31And I think that's a reason why he would come here.
43:33And the rumors are have been for the last couple of years.
43:35He's being super selective.
43:36He doesn't just want to go to the highest bidder or a team that just, you know, a not
43:42a random team, but he doesn't want to just jump too fast because he likes what he's doing
43:45in Detroit.
43:46I think the Patriots may be an open-ish checkbook for him to come here.
43:51And obviously a quarterback who would seemingly be at the very least fun to work with in Drake
43:55May.
43:56So I agree.
43:57I think he would at least think about it, but it's hypothetical that we don't know about.
43:59All right.
44:00I want to go to the chat with the super chat.
44:02Thank you, D for the cash.
44:04We appreciate you.
44:05And it has to do with what we were talking about before, and it's the wide receivers
44:08and the route sequencing and spacing.
44:10So why do you think it's been so bad?
44:12So what I typically notice is the young guy will sometimes get thrown off, like bumped
44:16in zone coverage, which sometimes that'll just slow you down so much that, and that's
44:20the big part of it.
44:21That's why, like, especially like defensive coaches will get so angry if they watch a
44:27team play zone and not reroute anybody, because then you're literally just playing on air
44:31and against good quarterbacks, like the Patriots, every single time, really, they do it all
44:35the time, but especially when they play Mahomes and Kelsey, Kelsey is like, is a living hell.
44:41They do everything they can to make sure that he isn't just able to run his routes.
44:44They want to throw off that timing.
44:46And when you're running routes downfield, it's even more important because if you're
44:49the clear out route and someone kind of knocks you off and it takes you just like half a
44:53second to gather yourself, that hurts the person who's running underneath you because
44:56it allows the zone defender to be able to midpoint a little bit more.
45:00Also, I just think for young receivers, it's hard to know where exactly you are on field
45:03consistently.
45:04So I'd say those are probably the biggest factors that I've noticed.
45:07Yeah.
45:08All right.
45:09There's another film question here that I want to hit on as well.
45:13And I guess I don't have it, but I agree with everything you said on the on the wider receiver
45:17spacing.
45:18It has to improve.
45:19And thank you, D, for the super chat.
45:21All right, let's go back to Elliott Wolfe and this this draft class, because right now
45:28it looks like they've kind of only hit on Drake May and it's super early.
45:31They've only played nine games, but Jalen Polk not looking good, Javon Baker not seeing
45:36the field.
45:37We were we were having the debate.
45:39Was it last night on on Pats daily or on the on the crossover, rather, who has been the
45:43most promising and best rookie outside of Drake May and it might be Marcellus Dial right
45:47now.
45:48And so is the draft class already a bust?
45:51And yeah, what do you think of the class as a whole right now?
45:53You can't even judge a rookie class on their first season, much less, you know, the first
45:59half of their entire career or their first the summer season rather of their careers.
46:04Now, obviously, the walls got hurt late in Robinson was thrown into the fire against
46:08some very good competition.
46:10Obviously didn't look great, but they clearly see something in him that they like.
46:13Javon Baker's on the rise, at least it seems that way on the outside.
46:17Jalen Polk, yes, is struggling.
46:19And then like Joe Milton wasn't going to play anyway.
46:21Jaheim Bell is someone they say is on the rise.
46:23Now they need to show it on the field.
46:24I don't really care what they're doing in practice because it needs to translate.
46:29But yeah, this is way, way too early to be casting any judgment on these guys.
46:34It's one thing if like a guy so bad, you cut him or like it's an Amir speed where,
46:37you know, that was in the same situation they were trying to create room.
46:40But yeah, unless you end up cutting a guy because he's so bad, which rarely happens
46:44unless you're something off the field.
46:46Yeah, this is a big fat incomplete.
46:48Even for Drake May, we don't know what he is yet.
46:50It's because like last week was one of the worst things of his career so far in terms
46:54of turning the ball over.
46:55And now it's like, OK, can you bounce back next week to where we say, oh, that was a
46:58blip on the radar or does it snowball?
47:00And then we say, oh, we may have to be worried about Drake.
47:02So yeah, it's way too soon.
47:04Way too soon.
47:05I do agree, though, with the with the talk about Jayvon Baker and the talk about Jaheim
47:09Bell.
47:10It's like, look, I understand that there are, you know, there's storylines and you want
47:13to, you know, I guess tell us and understand that, no, these guys are, you know, they're
47:17going to be impactful.
47:18But I don't really care until it happens.
47:20So, yeah, Jaheim Bell looks like he could be a potentially solid player, a third tight
47:24end here.
47:25And Jayvon Baker, they're talking about him.
47:27We got to let it happen or we have to see it happen rather.
47:29But you're you're 100 percent right on.
47:32We can't grade these these guys out yet because quarterbacks have had great starts and ended
47:36up being bust and vice versa, where the the example that I think of over the last couple
47:41of years, who a wide receiver specifically, who did not start hot at all and has turned
47:45into one of the better players in the entire league is Nico Collins in Houston, who had
47:50a really rough start to his his tenure in Houston.
47:53And I don't know if he was necessarily making mental gaps or mistakes on the field like
47:58Jalen Polk has, because, you know, I didn't watch every single down from Texans games,
48:01but he wasn't productive.
48:02He was someone who was sort of an afterthought as a second or third third round pick, I believe,
48:07of the Texans.
48:08Now, all of a sudden, yeah, he's on IR right now, but he's CJ Straub's number one guy and
48:11has become one of the best players in football.
48:13So let's be patient with this draft class and see what happens.
48:16And also the full office and also the coaching staff to a degree like patience, a lot of
48:21youth on this team and inexperienced.
48:23So, you know, you got to give them some some air to breathe.
48:25Definitely.
48:26All right.
48:27Let's talk about the Duggar rumors.
48:28Do you think there was anything to that?
48:30I don't.
48:31I think it's it.
48:32The way I read everything was teams called on Duggar and the Patriots said no.
48:36I think it would be a bad look if they signed this guy to not only the transition tag, but
48:42then the extension was like, you know what, we actually don't want you to be here.
48:44So I thought it was BS.
48:46But your thoughts on that.
48:47And I want to tie in the Duggar injury as well, because he didn't practice again today.
48:51Not a good outlook for him, at least against Chicago.
48:54So what would not having Duggar do to the Patriots against Chicago unless they were
48:57getting a stick around pick?
48:58I did not think there was any chance they were going to trade him.
49:00I think they were on the same page where people probably called and they were like, no, that's
49:04it.
49:05That's really all I think about that.
49:06Plain and simple.
49:07The injury.
49:08Yeah, it stinks because one thing that we mentioned on the show is that the Patriots
49:11have been getting killed by toss plays an outside zone to the perimeter and to Marcus
49:15Covington.
49:16Actually, who else?
49:17I asked Christian Gonzalez.
49:18I asked him about it yesterday and he said, yeah, you know, we get paid to cover, but
49:20you also have to help out the front and do your jobs and, you know, be tough to make
49:23those tackles.
49:24And today, DeMarcus Covington was asked about the run game struggles and he said, yeah,
49:27perimeter force.
49:28You've got to set the edges.
49:29Not with the ball.
49:30Get outside.
49:31I was like, yeah, yeah.
49:32He said it.
49:33He said it.
49:34Oh, but yeah, that's a Duggar in a lot of that was because in a lot of the packages
49:38that we've seen, they've struggled against shotgun run specifically to the outside.
49:43And what they'll do against teams that run a lot of RPOs like you've seen the past couple
49:46of weeks with the Jets and the Titans is when they get to the receiver side where they
49:51think the RPO is going to be coming from, instead of having a slot receiver there, they'll
49:54have the safeties in the slot receiver switch roles.
49:57So the cornerback has more range.
49:59They're going to play the backend and some kind of split safety look.
50:02And then you have the safety in the slot to be able to handle the RPOs or be the force
50:06in the run game.
50:08Usually that's peppers or it's Duggar.
50:10Now it's been Martin Mapu and Del Pettis.
50:12Now those guys, they, I love their effort.
50:16They're intense guys, but at the same time, Del Pettis is like five foot 11, 200 pounds,
50:21not small, but not big either.
50:24And then Martin Mapu is not the biggest guy either.
50:26You can see it in his frame.
50:27He should not be taking on a lot of blocks or work in the run game, which is why I like
50:30him better.
50:31And it's Evan McCourty role where he's a free safety and he's in man coverage and a robber,
50:35not really in the mix with the run game.
50:37But one, the recognition hasn't always been great.
50:39Like Del Pettis was seconds late on a couple of explosive runs allowed.
50:43Then Martin Mapu has been involved in a few of these outside plays, just not super physical.
50:48A lot of the times we'll try to go over or under blocks.
50:51And sometimes you kind of screw yourself by doing that, by taking, take yourself out of
50:54the play rather than just engaging.
50:56So at least you have the ability to go inside or out as needed.
50:59So yeah, with the injury, it stinks because one, you lose a playmaker.
51:03I think on the back end, in terms of coverage, they've been fine.
51:06Martin Mapu has gotten burned a few times where they have misdirection and he's like
51:10two seconds late to figure out what's going on.
51:13And then he has to kind of recover.
51:14But in the run game is where his, him being absent has really been felt.
51:18So not going to play probably this week.
51:20He's missed two straight practices again with the ankle injury, but hopefully he can come back next.
51:24Yeah. Losing a captain too.
51:26It is a curse to be a Patriots captain this season.
51:28Oh my gosh.
51:32All right.
51:32We only have a few minutes left here too.
51:34So let's take one more and we'll focus in on the Bears because that's who they play on Sunday.
51:38Has there anyone in film study, in game prep that has made you go,
51:42sir, I owe you an apology.
51:43I was not familiar with your game.
51:45Not exactly that, but I will take this opportunity to plug my boy, Austin Booker.
51:50I loved him coming out of Kansas.
51:53Is it Kansas or Kansas state?
51:54What's the one with the Kansas?
51:56Yeah.
51:56I'm really long dude.
51:58A lot of tools.
51:59The funny thing is he was known as a pass rusher coming out of college because
52:03like you look at his highlight reel, even like his pressures and sacks,
52:07his sacks come off of like a ton of different moves.
52:10And that was what got me really excited.
52:11I thought, Hey, draft him as a situational pass rusher.
52:14And like the fourth round or wherever, I think he got taken in the third.
52:16Yeah.
52:16Draft him there.
52:17Let him be that.
52:18And then get bigger and be a better run stopper.
52:20He's actually been a better run stopper.
52:22Like he's got that length and he's used it really well anchored down.
52:25And he's been a force against the run set in the edge.
52:27But as a pass rusher, he's done very, very little and looks extremely raw,
52:31which is really surprising.
52:32I didn't expect that.
52:33So he's definitely maybe someone who stood out to me when I was watching.
52:37And then Darnell Taylor is actually really solid player.
52:40He's been really when Montez what was out?
52:42He was the guy who was getting most of their pressure.
52:44So I'll kind of highlight those two edge guys for from bears.
52:47Love it.
52:48All right.
52:48Well, we got to get out of here.
52:49We only have two minutes before the Pats beat guys.
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53:22Taylor.
53:23Yeah.
53:23No, I'm talking to stuff.
53:24I got to get us off on a good note before we wrap it up for the weekend.
53:28So thank you guys for watching.
53:29We appreciate it.
53:30As always, thank you for the question.
53:31Sorry, we're unable to get to all of them on a bit of a time crunch here.
53:34But thanks for watching.
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