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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
- Hasnaat Malik (Court Reporter)
Why did Shahid Khaqan Abbasi get angry with Nawaz Sharif? - Shahid Khaqan Told Everything
"Bani PTI Ju Kehden Wohi Durust Hai...", Shahid Khaqan Abbasi's Big Statement Regarding Imran Khan
Supreme Court Mukammal Ho Gayi. .. Supreme Court Mein Teen Jajon Ki Taenati Ka Maamla,
Hatak e Izzat Bill.. Punjab Assembly Mein Peoples Party Ki Khamoshi Ko Name Raza Mandi Samjha Jaye?
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
- Hasnaat Malik (Court Reporter)
Why did Shahid Khaqan Abbasi get angry with Nawaz Sharif? - Shahid Khaqan Told Everything
"Bani PTI Ju Kehden Wohi Durust Hai...", Shahid Khaqan Abbasi's Big Statement Regarding Imran Khan
Supreme Court Mukammal Ho Gayi. .. Supreme Court Mein Teen Jajon Ki Taenati Ka Maamla,
Hatak e Izzat Bill.. Punjab Assembly Mein Peoples Party Ki Khamoshi Ko Name Raza Mandi Samjha Jaye?
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00:00 Assalam o Alaikum, I am Maria Meeman and today's top stories are election debates. Chief Election Commissioner has put the issue on the Malwa Court. We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:21 Supreme Court has been completed. We will discuss the new Supreme Court and what issues are in front of the Supreme Court and what will be the effect of the new statements. We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:32 Finally, People's Party has disappeared so that the bill has been passed. Today, the Governor has signed it. People's Party is against it but is also in favor of it. We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
00:44 Let's start. There is a very interesting development. I saw in the Supreme Court last week when the hearing took place. On that occasion, Chief Justice of Pakistan gave an interesting answer to the various comments that were being made there.
00:59 When the question was asked about the bullet mark or when arguments were being given there, Chief Justice of Pakistan said that our judgment can be misinterpreted by the Election Commission of Pakistan.
01:12 Let's listen to it.
01:14 You are taking all the implications of the judgment where there is no such implication.
01:19 Either you read the actual language because what I find very disconcerting is commenting on judgments which people don't even bother reading.
01:29 Either read a paragraph which says this. You don't say I understood. Then you understood wrongly, Counsel. As simple as that.
01:35 I am saying that it is because of the Election Commission.
01:38 So, it is said that the Election Commission can also misinterpret this judgment.
01:50 Today, the new development is that the Chief Election Commissioner has put all the blame on the Supreme Court. It seems that the public has come forward and a showdown has started.
02:01 According to Don Akbar's news today, the Chief Election Commissioner, Sikandar Sultan Raja has put the Supreme Court responsible for the complications that have been faced during the 2024 elections.
02:12 The Chief Election Commissioner said that he went to the Chief Justice of Pakistan and the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court and requested them to fulfill the duties of the DRO and RO through a court action.
02:22 But there was no benefit.
02:24 The Chief Election Commissioner's remarks have come to light now when the NA46 PTI candidate, Amir Masood Moghul's lawyer Faisal Chaudhary,
02:33 declared the elections of 8th February as the most important election of the country's history.
02:38 The lawyer said that the bureaucracy was given the task of holding the elections in 1977 and 2024.
02:46 But both times, he has failed Pakistan.
02:51 In addition, Nawaz Sharif has also given a speech to his senators. He has some interesting points.
02:57 We will talk about this. Shahid Khan Abbasi, former Prime Minister and now a founder of a new party, is going to lay the foundation for this.
03:04 Thank you very much, Mr. Abbasi, for joining us.
03:06 I think we should start with this because this seems to be a showdown.
03:09 The court is saying that the decision was not understood by the Election Commission.
03:14 The Election Commission is saying that the Supreme Court is responsible for the irregularities.
03:19 Whose opinion is stronger? Whose opinion is more important?
03:22 If you look at it from a different perspective, whether the decision or the lack of understanding has affected the election or not.
03:34 If it is such a serious matter that the decision is affecting the election of a country which is the foundation of your system,
03:42 then you should have taken notice.
03:44 Our courts have superpowers. And if the interpretation of the decision is wrong,
03:55 then the decision should have been clear.
03:58 If the interpretation is wrong, then the Supreme Court should have taken notice immediately.
04:05 Because a matter of greater public importance is very rare.
04:11 So, let's talk about another thing. The Chief Election Commissioner is saying that the court's action was necessary for the DRO and RO.
04:18 Because he is saying that a responsible citizen of a country is sitting on a very important post and it was denied later.
04:24 Do you think this made a difference in the election or not?
04:28 It doesn't matter what they do.
04:30 No, it makes a difference because many of your elections have been held by the administration.
04:36 And some elections have been held by the judiciary.
04:41 The public has more confidence in the judiciary.
04:47 Although there are many controversies there as well.
04:49 In an election, the judiciary held elections.
04:51 You can see the issues there.
04:54 People were asked to give the call to prayer.
04:57 13th, right?
04:58 Yes, 13th or 8th.
05:00 I think it was 8th or 2nd.
05:02 8th.
05:03 It was an election of 2nd or 8th.
05:06 And they were asked to give the call to prayer.
05:08 They were asked to give the call to prayer.
05:10 Yes.
05:11 So, there were many strange things.
05:13 But the general impression is that if the judiciary does it, then the election is more acceptable.
05:19 Let's move a little further.
05:21 Today, Mr. Nawaz Sharif gave a speech and he spoke about his statement.
05:25 But his second speech is still going on, where he spoke about Mr. Khan Abbasi.
05:29 What did you hear in his speech last week and in today's speech?
05:33 [In Hindi]
05:36 [In Hindi]
05:38 [In Hindi]
05:40 [In Hindi]
05:46 [In Hindi]
06:11 [In Hindi]
06:13 Is it his way of reaching out to you?
06:15 Because he was remembering you fondly.
06:17 I have a lifelong relationship with Mr. Mian.
06:19 I was 29 years old.
06:21 In fact, I had a relationship with my father for 3 years before that.
06:25 It is a very close and deep relationship.
06:28 It is a relationship of respect and honour.
06:30 He has always been very kind.
06:32 He spoke about the last speech today.
06:35 He has spoken about it today.
06:36 You have heard the recording of the first speech.
06:38 So,
06:41 Politics is a very difficult job.
06:43 I said this because it was not easy for me to make decisions.
06:46 Because a personal relationship is affected by it.
06:48 And it is a very deep personal relationship.
06:50 But I could not work with a politician who was not chosen by the electoral committee.
06:55 So, the political path is different.
07:00 Did you get upset?
07:01 Or on which note did you get upset?
07:03 And in the speech that you had, did you convince Mr. Nawaz Sharif that
07:08 you are going to make a political decision because of your personal differences?
07:11 No, I did not get upset.
07:13 Believe me.
07:14 I have no complaints.
07:18 The only thing is that
07:20 the speech was to give respect to the vote.
07:23 When the speech changed to
07:26 that we should come to power to solve the problems of the country.
07:31 I do not agree with that speech.
07:34 Power at any cost harms the country.
07:38 I have seen many examples of this.
07:40 About a year ago,
07:42 maybe more than a year ago,
07:44 I had two or three separate meetings in London.
07:48 It was in the last week of September.
07:49 So, I told Mr. Mian that I cannot fight for the election party ticket.
07:53 Because I do not agree with this policy.
07:55 That's all.
07:56 And my attempt is that this personal relationship should remain.
08:01 Because relationships are not easy to build in life.
08:05 And trust is not built on each other.
08:07 I am a very difficult time with Mr. Mian.
08:11 And I think he never felt that I would go somewhere or leave or defect.
08:18 You were nominated for the Prime Minister.
08:20 But will it be easy for you to take an about turn for EMLN from here?
08:25 Because politics in Pakistan keeps changing.
08:27 Today you are a politician, tomorrow you are a politician.
08:29 Will it be easy to take an about turn for EMLN from here?
08:32 This is a difficult task.
08:33 Mr. Mian has now taken over the leadership of the Jamaat.
08:36 He will try.
08:38 He understands politics better than others in this country.
08:42 That he has been harmed by this statement of the Muslims.
08:46 But now politics is happening.
08:47 What is the political statement of PMLN?
08:49 What is the politics?
08:50 I said that the political statements are now hidden in it.
08:57 If you have taken the power, then your political statement is no longer there.
09:01 On one hand, politics and on the other hand, there is power.
09:03 This is power versus politics.
09:04 The political answer has to be given by politics.
09:06 No, the power is of the people.
09:09 The elections that were so controversial, if you have come to power through it,
09:15 then the question arose on you as a Jamaat, as a leadership.
09:19 Now it is not easy to end this impression.
09:23 Mr. Mian will have to work on this.
09:26 Otherwise, the next election will be more difficult.
09:29 Your new political party is called the 'Hum Awam Pakistan Party'.
09:34 Is there space in the new political party of Pakistan?
09:37 Because at the moment, we feel that there is a clear polarization.
09:39 On one hand, Tehrik-e-Insaf is on one extent.
09:42 On the other hand, there is the People's Party, PMLN.
09:44 Where is the space in the middle at the moment?
09:47 Today, it is not just about space.
09:49 Today, there is a need.
09:50 Today, the country needs a Jamaat that can talk about the country.
09:54 That can talk about the country's problems.
09:56 That can say that this politics, which is the politics of abusing each other,
10:00 which is the politics of discrimination,
10:02 is the reason for the destruction of the country.
10:05 There should be a Jamaat that can talk about the truth,
10:09 that can talk about the constitution,
10:11 that can talk about moving the country forward.
10:13 Today, politics is the name of the distribution of power,
10:16 the greed of the seats.
10:18 This politics will never be able to give anything to the country.
10:21 But, brother, the politics of discrimination is happening in this country.
10:24 If you want to take a step in politics,
10:26 then the mood of the people is only discrimination.
10:28 They themselves believe in PMLN and they have to pay the price for it.
10:31 Now, who will you discriminate against?
10:33 You will discriminate against the country.
10:35 You should stick to the principles.
10:37 Sticking to the principles is not discrimination.
10:39 It is discrimination to stick to the principles.
10:41 That is the delay.
10:42 There is a principle in the country, a constitution.
10:45 The country should follow the constitution.
10:47 Whoever comes to power here, should follow the constitution.
10:50 And today, does anyone have the ability?
10:52 All three Jamaats, you can be sure,
10:54 all three of these Jamaats have no ability.
10:56 All three of them will not be able to solve the country's issues together.
10:59 Until they find a way.
11:01 So, today, there is no ability,
11:03 no intention,
11:05 no worry,
11:06 no thought.
11:07 Now, the only thing is that I am in jail,
11:09 yesterday he was in jail,
11:11 today I want a lawyer, he got a lawyer,
11:13 it was my turn.
11:15 These are the things that they did not give anything to the country.
11:18 The problem for all these Jamaats is that
11:21 in the last three years, all of them have been in power.
11:24 What will they give? What promise will they make?
11:26 My only question is that today,
11:28 is anyone talking about the country?
11:30 Is there anyone who is going to do it?
11:31 So, we think that there should be a Jamaat
11:33 who will talk about the country, its problems and its solution.
11:36 Okay, your obvious thing is that there is a philosophy,
11:38 there is a statement, there is a manifesto,
11:40 but there are also voters.
11:41 So, who is your target voter?
11:43 Angry with PMLN?
11:45 Or disappointed with the justice movement?
11:47 Or do you have your own vote?
11:49 Do you think that your vote will vote for this?
11:51 Who are you targeting in this?
11:54 I have seen that people want the solution of the country's problems.
11:57 They want their own prosperity.
11:59 They want to give a hope to the country.
12:01 They want a future.
12:02 Today, two-thirds of the population are under 30 years of age.
12:07 They want a future.
12:09 We have given them a lot of hopes,
12:11 but we have wasted the hopes.
12:13 Today, they want to hear the facts.
12:15 So, I think that whoever will talk about the country,
12:17 there is a lot of space for that.
12:19 Who is your target voter?
12:21 Because this is what the justice movement is doing.
12:23 Now, whether they follow it or not,
12:25 we will see what strategy will be taken by Mr. Khan when he comes out.
12:29 But what is the difference between you and his statement?
12:32 He says that the constitution should be supreme.
12:34 You are talking about that.
12:35 You are saying that the youth should be given hope.
12:37 He is talking about this.
12:38 Where will the difference come?
12:39 They have been waiting for three years and eight months.
12:41 Has anyone been given anything?
12:43 You have promised them false promises.
12:48 Today, the PTI is not saying that we will do something for anyone.
12:54 There, a personal community has been formed
12:58 in which whatever Imran Khan says is right.
13:01 Black is white, white is black, that is right.
13:05 These are not communities.
13:07 This is not thought.
13:08 Is anyone talking about the country?
13:10 What is the solution to the problems of the country?
13:12 Who will run the country today?
13:14 Sir, what is the solution to you people?
13:16 Because you have also been a part of this whole system.
13:18 Mr. Miftad has been the Minister of Treasury.
13:20 You are the former Prime Minister.
13:21 You have been in politics since a long time.
13:22 Whatever the names will be,
13:23 maybe Chaudhary Nisar's name is still there.
13:25 Is it true?
13:26 No, Nisar's name is not there.
13:27 So, the point is that what have you done in 30 years?
13:29 The first question will be asked by your vote.
13:31 We have done the struggle in 30 years.
13:35 I have done politics for 36 years.
13:37 And I have spent 25 years in the opposition.
13:40 So, the struggle is that which you do not see.
13:43 Its slogans are not put.
13:45 It is a struggle to remain on the principles in this country.
13:47 It is a struggle to remain on the constitution.
13:50 So, we have gained experience today.
13:53 We know the problems.
13:54 We can solve the problems.
13:55 That is why what we talk about is not just in the air.
13:58 Today, your country needs a massive reform.
14:01 There should be someone to talk.
14:02 In a group of 100,
14:04 100 people do not know how to work.
14:06 There should be one person who is talking about the principle.
14:08 That is the strength.
14:10 But the biggest problem is the deadlock.
14:13 Where no one is ready to back off.
14:15 The politics is also in danger.
14:16 And the power of the other party is also being challenged.
14:21 The biggest problem is that.
14:22 Then we will go to the reforms.
14:23 What is the solution to this?
14:24 The deadlock is outside.
14:25 That is the solution.
14:26 The deadlock that becomes a part of the deadlock.
14:29 This is a deadlock on a stubbornness.
14:31 Stubbornness is stubbornness from all sides.
14:32 I am not saying that it is the stubbornness of one person.
14:34 Everyone is stubborn.
14:35 You have to decide the way forward.
14:38 I said before the election.
14:39 Come and sit down and decide.
14:41 Even after the election, you still have time.
14:44 If you are worried about the country.
14:45 You claim to be a patriot.
14:48 So today you have to sit down.
14:50 You have to find a solution to the problems of the country.
14:52 There is no ideological difference here.
14:55 There is no fundamental disagreement here.
14:57 Both are saying that you apologize to each other.
14:59 The one who is more patriotic, should walk.
15:02 The one who is more patriotic, should walk.
15:06 Your country is in trouble today.
15:08 The people of this country are in trouble.
15:10 Do you realize what state the country has reached?
15:13 I don't see that worry or worry that is needed in the country today.
15:19 Are you seeing any threat to the system?
15:21 What threat to the system?
15:23 What system is left?
15:24 Is your country running according to the rules?
15:26 Not running?
15:27 I say again and again.
15:29 If we all follow the rules, then the country will run.
15:35 When will you announce?
15:37 After the budget.
15:39 After the budget, there will be an election.
15:43 Are people finalized?
15:44 We are not looking for people.
15:46 When your thoughts will be revealed in the community.
15:49 People will understand what you are doing.
15:52 Then people will join.
15:53 But there will be an expert team.
15:54 We have this for the economy.
15:55 You will see an expert team when we launch.
15:58 You are keeping a surprise factor.
16:00 There will be good people who have good thoughts.
16:03 People know some and don't know some.
16:05 And God willing, a very good community will be formed.
16:08 Thank you very much.
16:09 Mr. Abbasi was with us in the position.
16:11 Mr. Hassanat Malik will be with us.
16:12 In the next part of the program, we will talk about the new Supreme Court.
16:15 In which the court has been completed with 17 judges.
16:18 What is its structure?
16:19 What is its reality?
16:20 Stay with us after the break.
16:21 Welcome back.
16:25 The Supreme Court has been completed.
16:26 The speeches were done.
16:28 We will quickly analyze the cases.
16:33 The Supreme Court Judicial Commission meeting was held on Friday.
16:35 Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Esa was present.
16:38 He was also present in Islamabad.
16:39 The Judicial Commission recommended Chief Justice Malik Shehzad.
16:42 Chief Justice Sindh High Court Aqeel Abbasi.
16:45 And the seniority of Lahore High Court, Justice Shahid Bilal.
16:49 He was recommended to be the judge of the Supreme Court.
16:52 Chief Justice has sent the names of all three judges to the Parliamentary Committee for final approval.
16:57 After approval, the number of judges of the Supreme Court will be completed to 17.
17:01 Chief Justice Sindh High Court, Justice Aqeel Abbasi was in the Supreme Court.
17:05 He was in the Supreme Court for the last 6 years.
17:09 That is why he was approved in the Judicial Commission meeting.
17:13 While the Supreme Court decision of Chief Justice Malik Shehzad was made by majority of 5-4.
17:20 According to sources, Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Esa, Justice Ameenuddin,
17:23 the Minister of Justice, Attorney General and the representatives of Pakistan Bar Council
17:27 supported Chief Justice Malik Shehzad as the Supreme Court Judge.
17:33 According to sources, Justice Mansoor Alisha, Justice Muneeb Akhtar,
17:37 Justice Yahya Afridi and Justice Mansoor Malik
17:40 opposed Chief Justice Malik Shehzad as the Supreme Court Judge.
17:46 The representatives of Pakistan Bar Council were present.
17:49 They approved the decision in Shehzad Iqbal's show yesterday.
17:52 They also said that the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court wanted to stay in the Supreme Court.
17:57 Please listen.
17:58 Some of our judges said that the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court should not be appointed.
18:05 He should stay in the Supreme Court as the Chief Justice.
18:08 Because he thinks that he wants to serve as the Chief Justice for some more time.
18:13 One view was that he is a strong administrator and he should stay in the Supreme Court.
18:20 But second view was that he himself wants to stay in the Supreme Court for some more time.
18:27 What kind of personality does Malik Shehzad have?
18:33 The former Chief Justice of Lahore High Court is now going to the Supreme Court.
18:36 He has a speech.
18:38 When he gave a speech on Manzar-e-Aam, he elaborated on this point.
18:45 Both institutions are weak in the fight between institutions.
18:49 Be careful with those people who want to fight between institutions.
18:53 We do not want to fight with any institution or any government.
18:56 But this fight will be won by both hands and not by one.
18:59 Respect will be given only when the courts are respected.
19:02 If the courts are not respected, then they will not expect from us.
19:05 Malik Shehzad is with us in the program.
19:09 Finally, the Supreme Court is complete.
19:12 There was a lot of debate on this issue for a long time.
19:14 Who will be elevated?
19:16 This is a hybrid formula.
19:17 Two are on the seniority base and one is on the fourth position.
19:23 Malik Shehzad is the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court.
19:29 He has been decided on 5-4 cases.
19:32 One of the four members had a point of view that
19:37 there is a strong head in Punjab Judiciary.
19:41 It is a very important matter.
19:43 After a long time, there is a strong head in Punjab Judiciary.
19:48 He was saying that they should stay for now.
19:51 But the other five members,
19:53 Law Minister, Attorney General, Bar members,
19:56 Justice Ameen-ud-Din Khan and Justice Qazi Faisal,
19:59 were on one page.
20:02 We have seen that for the past 6 months,
20:04 Justice Qazi Faisal and the government are on one page.
20:06 In this case, they are on one page.
20:08 They supported Malik Shehzad's elevation.
20:11 The second case was of Justice Aqeel Abbasi.
20:14 It is said that they deserve to be in the Supreme Court.
20:19 Three of his juniors are already in the Supreme Court.
20:22 Even Justice Muneeb Akhtar, who recommended him,
20:25 was a junior in the Supreme Court.
20:27 Justice Nisar brought him in 2018.
20:30 As far as Bilal is concerned,
20:33 the information there is that
20:36 Justice Shujaat and Justice Bakir Naqvi,
20:39 their case was ignored.
20:44 Chief Justice nominated them, but they were ignored.
20:48 As far as Justice Alia Neelum is concerned,
20:50 the four members,
20:52 Justice Mansoor Ali Shah, Justice Yahya Faridi,
20:55 Justice Muneeb Akhtar and retired Judge Mansoor Malik,
20:58 wanted Justice Alia Neelum to replace Malik Shehzad.
21:03 Because the army needed a judge who had expert grip on criminal law.
21:08 So, they were among the two.
21:11 That was the case with Alia Neelum.
21:13 The big news is that
21:16 the two seniors in Lahore High Court
21:19 are not even made Chief Justice.
21:21 The Chief Justice is being nominated by the first female judge,
21:25 Justice Alia Neelum.
21:28 It was an informal agreement.
21:31 You must have seen that
21:33 no Judicial Commission meeting was held
21:36 to decide who will be the Chief Justice.
21:39 Maybe acting Justice Shujaat will be nominated.
21:42 But I spoke to two or three members of the Judicial Commission.
21:45 They confirmed that
21:48 the two seniors will not be nominated.
21:51 Justice Alia Neelum will be nominated.
21:54 That's an interesting news.
21:56 But the Judicial Commission members
21:59 said that
22:02 Chief Justice of Lahore High Court wanted to remain there.
22:05 But this is a contradiction.
22:08 The article 206 is very clear.
22:12 If a judge is not nominated by the Judicial Commission,
22:16 he will be deemed to retire.
22:19 The other thing is that
22:22 we know that he has a good 8 months of experience.
22:25 He made a good legacy in 2 months.
22:28 He is a strong Chief Justice.
22:31 I think there is no issue for him to remain in the Supreme Court.
22:34 He can stay there for 3 more years.
22:37 Everyone wishes to have 125 judges in the Supreme Court.
22:40 There are 17 judges in the Supreme Court.
22:43 It is a big deal for him to stay in the Supreme Court.
22:46 It is possible that he wants to be nominated
22:49 after 2 or 3 months.
22:52 Maybe he will be nominated after his retirement.
22:55 But if he was not nominated,
22:58 he would have been nominated.
23:01 But the article 18 shows his capability.
23:04 When he was compared to Justice Alia Neelum,
23:07 he had a better performance in the data.
23:10 He had a better performance in the data.
23:13 So, what are the reasons for this?
23:16 You are saying that he is not being incentivized.
23:19 Maybe the judges are being incentivized.
23:22 But for the time being,
23:25 whether it is the appointment of judges of the ATC,
23:28 or the nomination of judges in the election tribunal,
23:31 or the allocation of cases,
23:34 these were the 3 reasons why the government was worried.
23:37 Maybe the government was relieved.
23:40 Yes, there was no doubt.
23:43 There were a lot of difficulties.
23:46 Now, after his retirement,
23:49 I think he will be relieved.
23:52 What are the high profile cases in front of the Lahore High Court?
23:55 There are all the cases of low judiciary.
23:58 All the cases of 9th May,
24:01 there are the appointment of judges,
24:04 and the chief justice of the High Court is the administrative head.
24:07 When the administrative head is strong,
24:10 there can be no interference.
24:13 The judges of junior and low judiciary also know that
24:16 their head is with them and they act independently in any case.
24:19 Now, the chief justice is also concerned
24:22 about the basis on which he has brought Malik Shahzad.
24:25 Maybe he thinks that the chief justice
24:28 should be strong in the Supreme Court.
24:31 The senior judges have different opinions
24:34 from the senior judges of the High Court.
24:37 Now, we will have to see in the results sheet
24:40 whether the opinion of the Chief Justice is different from that of the senior judges.
24:43 This can also be discussed.
24:46 The Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court will also be retained.
24:49 He will remain in the Islamabad High Court.
24:52 He has not been elevated.
24:55 If someone has a perception that
24:58 Malik Shahzad has troubled the government,
25:01 then the government should also send him to the Supreme Court.
25:04 Amir Farooq has not troubled the government in any case.
25:07 There is a case in the Cipher case.
25:10 But, there was no option.
25:13 If Amir Farooq had a different opinion,
25:16 then the referee judge would have been the same as the six judges who wrote the letter.
25:19 Amir Farooq has not given interim relief
25:22 against the government in any case.
25:25 He has denied the interim relief.
25:28 Amir Farooq is an Idean.
25:31 The government will be in power till 2028.
25:34 This is a different matter.
25:37 There is a request from the government
25:40 that there is frustration
25:43 that the Chief Justice is from 2021
25:46 and the senior judge is being ignored.
25:49 If he has taken similar steps,
25:52 then the Chief Justice should be elevated.
25:55 He deserves it.
25:58 The formula to be elevated is that the government is troubling the government.
26:01 This is what happened in the case of Atar Minnala.
26:04 He was being ignored.
26:07 After that, Mr. Atar Minnala said
26:10 that he was told by Mr. Janab Bajwa
26:13 to support the nominees.
26:16 On that basis, Mr. Atar Minnala was elevated.
26:19 Mr. Hassanat Malik is with us.
26:22 He is telling us about the new Supreme Court.
26:25 He has given us a very important news.
26:28 He said that Justice Alia Neelum
26:31 should be made the Chief Justice
26:34 and the two senior nominees should not be made.
26:37 He has told us an interesting thing.
26:40 We will go back to the break.
26:43 The Punjab government has not only
26:46 made the bill passed,
26:49 but also signed it.
26:52 We will talk about it in the break.
26:55 The bill has been made the law.
26:58 The people's party was involved in this.
27:01 They were not present at the time of voting.
27:04 When the bill was to be signed,
27:07 the governor went on leave.
27:10 He did not send the bill back.
27:13 The governor was not present at the time.
27:16 The governor signed the bill
27:19 and made it the law.
27:22 The bill has been made the law.
27:25 The bill will have the following
27:28 provisions.
27:31 On 20th May, the bill will be
27:34 printed, electronic and social media.
27:37 It will be used by the fake and
27:40 fake news.
27:43 The governor has been refused
27:46 the signature of the people's party.
27:49 The people's party has been
27:52 signed by the governor.
27:55 The people's party was with the
27:58 journalists but was involved
28:01 with the government.
28:04 This is a fraud.
28:07 The bill has been challenged.
28:10 The bill was challenged in Lahore.
28:13 The government has been made
28:16 the party.
28:19 The bill is against the law.
28:22 The bill cannot be made the law
28:25 without the presence of the
28:28 audience and the act.
28:31 The bill has not been consulted
28:34 with the journalists.
28:37 The people's party MPs were not
28:40 present at the time.
28:43 The bill was refused.
28:46 The bill was not returned.
28:49 The governor has been on leave.
28:52 The governor has signed the bill
28:55 conveniently.
28:58 The people's party will be
29:01 considered to be the facilitator.
29:04 The PMLN is guilty but the people's
29:07 party is also involved.
29:10 Let's see how the people's party
29:13 talks about the bill.
29:16 Whenever a governor comes,
29:19 whenever a selected person comes,
29:22 they bring black laws to control
29:25 the media and suppress the voice
29:28 of the people.
29:31 We will not tolerate the media.
29:34 We have come to solve the media
29:37 problems. You saw the law of PIKA.
29:40 We will not allow black laws to come.
29:43 The people's party has always
29:46 fought for freedom of the press.
29:49 There should be no restrictions
29:52 on the press.
29:55 The freedom of the press
29:58 is the responsibility of the
30:01 people's party.
30:04 There is a clear contradiction in
30:07 the call and fail.
30:10 Thank you for joining us.
30:13 What is your liability?
30:16 Thank you.
30:19 We had a joint action committee
30:22 in the Law and Press Club.
30:25 We had APNS, CPNE, AMEND, PFEJ,
30:28 and all the stakeholders.
30:31 We made a plan that on the day
30:34 of the PIR, we will close the
30:37 court door for justice and go to
30:40 the High Court. All the other
30:43 organizations will go to the High Court
30:46 with their deputies against the bill.
30:49 We have also decided that
30:52 the budget session will start on
30:55 12th, 12th of Islamabad and on
30:58 14th of Swatikhar, we will boycott
31:01 the Muslim League and People's Party
31:04 events. We will boycott their
31:07 marches and we will boycott their
31:10 rallies and we will boycott their
31:13 rallies and we will boycott their
31:16 In fact, the government and the MLAs are ready to act on this issue.
31:21 The problem is the ones who passed bills at night, they have two masters manipulator,
31:26 Brajesh Ji and Maria Maural.
31:33They are really intelligent people.
31:37 These people have been very clever and insightful in their thoughts.
31:44 This is the right thing to do.
31:46 You are talking about People's Party.
31:48 People's Party has never been deceived in the past.
31:52 My question is to Bilal Aziz and Ashraf Zardari.
31:56 Was this the party of the late Junaid Bato, the martyr of People's Party?
32:03 Was this the party of the late Junaid Bato, the martyr of People's Party?
32:06 When the stakeholders met with the governor, Sardar Singh Mehta,
32:11 he said in his own words, "If you had called me, I would have sent you back."
32:19 This is the words.
32:21 Two days ago, the bill reached the governor's house.
32:24 He kept it with him.
32:27 He kept it with him.
32:29 He lied to us.
32:31 The bill was there.
32:33 It was skipped to Mr. Zardari.
32:35 Malik Ahmed said to the staff of the governor's house that he will meet us at 6 pm.
32:41 He signed the bill at 6.08 pm and returned.
32:43 Before this, when the consultation was being held,
32:48 that no one should have the right to give false information,
32:52 but there should be consultation in the whole process.
32:54 When this law was being made, it was not made in the dark.
32:57 There were opposition parties in the Punjab Assembly.
32:59 Mr. Tariq-e-Insan has protested.
33:01 Did the People's Party protest at that time or did they say to continue the consultative process?
33:06 Or was it silent at that time and disappeared during the voting and consultation process?
33:11 Yes, absolutely.
33:13 This is the matter of 25th May.
33:16 When this bill was passed,
33:19 sorry, when it was passed on 20th May,
33:22 the People's Party people themselves went out of the assembly intentionally.
33:27 On 21st May, Haider Gilani, who was the parliamentary leader of the People's Party in the Punjab Assembly,
33:35 and he is a close friend of Yusuf Ali Gilani,
33:37 he said that he would not support any such bill that would solve the issue of freedom of expression.
33:43 If you take out the footage and show it to Haider Gilani,
33:46 he said such things that you cannot imagine.
33:50 He repeated it.
33:52 And now, Faisal Kareem Kundi, the Governor of KP,
33:55 he said that we do not support this bill at all.
33:58 His MPs said that we do not support it.
34:01 But his leadership was silent.
34:03 Asad Zardari was silent.
34:05 Bilawal Battu Zardari was silent.
34:07 Now, this contradiction was inside them,
34:09 but from within, the Muslim League Noon and the People's Party are certainly political opponents of each other.
34:14 They are sitting together,
34:16 but from within, their consultation is absolutely included in this bill.
34:20 This is absolutely a betrayal.
34:22 The People's Party and the Noon League, both of them become champions.
34:25 They are only champions of freedom of expression when they are in opposition.
34:29 Never in the government.
34:31 Respected Chief Minister, tell us,
34:33 what did he say at the PSEJ meeting on 17 November 2021?
34:38 Tell us what he said.
34:40 He also said that when we will come, when Nawaz Sharif will come,
34:44 we will bring down such bills that will solve the issue of freedom of expression.
34:48 These are just the faces of the governments,
34:51 and the faces of the opposition are different.
34:53 So, I want to say that our Limer is now ready.
34:57 We have to oppose the protests.
34:59 We have to go for the protest.
35:01 We do not believe in any such bill.
35:03 But we do not want freedom of expression.
35:05 We are against fake news.
35:07 There should be a consultative process for all stakeholders.
35:10 Thank you very much.
35:11 Ashraf Ghani Sahib was with us.
35:13 This bill has been formally passed.
35:16 Its main proponent is PM LN,
35:20 but if there is any facilitation of this bill,
35:25 then it is done by the Pakistan People's Party.
35:27 The program is over.
35:29 Do not forget to give your feedback.
35:30 Take care. Goodbye.