Pakistan Ki Siyasat Mein Gehma Gehmi - Ather Kazmi's Analysis
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00:00 I will continue with this point.
00:04 The reality lies in between.
00:06 It is not that PTI has no connection with anyone.
00:09 And we have enough reasons to prove this point.
00:11 And it is also that
00:14 the person who has nothing to do with it,
00:16 you have fitted him based on political relations.
00:19 That should not happen because it affects the whole reality.
00:23 But Mr. Kazmi, do you agree with this?
00:25 This is my opinion.
00:26 What Mr. Pinchota is saying,
00:29 what he has said is that
00:31 the system of the court is not only bad
00:32 because the judge puts the judge in his own chamber.
00:35 It is bad because there is an intervention.
00:36 This is true.
00:38 But it is half-true.
00:39 If the issue has to be solved,
00:41 then it will happen at that time.
00:42 Maybe it sounds like a very silly thing,
00:44 but if the solution has to be solved,
00:46 then when all these people are sitting,
00:47 all the influencers are sitting,
00:48 now everyone is influenced,
00:49 PTI, NOON,
00:51 and everyone is telling the truth about their own part.
00:54 What does my example mean?
00:55 Mr. Pinchota says that
00:57 if a judge decides for us,
00:59 then he starts getting abused.
01:01 But he does not say that
01:02 yesterday PTI used to say so many things to Mr. Atharv Minala.
01:05 "He is a pharaoh of time."
01:07 Who did not say that?
01:08 Abuses are the trend.
01:10 Today he has become a hero.
01:11 He does not say that
01:12 today the law is being imposed on six judges.
01:16 He does not say that
01:17 one judge's name was Shaukat Siddiqui.
01:19 He also said that
01:20 this is happening to me.
01:21 He did not take the name and said it.
01:22 That was also an intervention.
01:24 Let's come to Noon League.
01:25 Noon League will not talk about what happened today.
01:27 But they will say that
01:27 Shaukat Siddiqui was abused.
01:29 The rest is fine.
01:30 Everyone speaks the truth about their own part.
01:32 That is half the truth.
01:33 Maybe they can satisfy their voters with that truth.
01:36 The country's system will not be right.
01:37 It will be right only when
01:38 everyone decides together
01:40 that our political differences are in their place.
01:42 But these are the limits of everyone.
01:43 Whenever anyone crosses this,
01:45 we will all together
01:47 break it.
01:48 Do you agree to this
01:49 or do you think it is a very silly thing, Mr. Kazmi?
01:51 Yes, yes, yes.
01:53 This is 100% correct.
01:55 As long as the basic things are not discussed together,
01:58 we will not talk about it.
01:59 We are not saying that
02:00 we should call each other every day
02:01 and talk to each other.
02:03 But we agree to the constitution
02:05 that our elders gave us 50 years ago.
02:08 All institutions,
02:09 including the judiciary, the executive,
02:12 everyone played their own role here.
02:15 Now, the unfortunate incident of 9th May,
02:17 is there any justification for it?
02:19 Now, we are given examples again and again
02:21 that those who attacked Capitol Hill in America,
02:23 they were punished.
02:25 And this is a very true example.
02:27 They were punished there.
02:29 But no "Resistance of America" party was formed there.
02:32 That Mr. Trump's party has to be broken
02:34 and a "Resistance of Pakistan" party has to be formed.
02:37 From here, we meddle things,
02:39 put politics in the middle,
02:40 because of which the real thing
02:42 is left behind somewhere.
02:44 And different kinds of statements
02:46 start coming forward.
02:47 So, the political parties
02:49 should also play their role.
02:50 The judiciary should also play its role.
02:53 Similarly, other institutions
02:54 should also play their role.
02:56 Now, as far as the issue is concerned,
02:58 how can the issue be solved right now?
03:01 Look, at different occasions,
03:03 you get different opportunities.
03:05 Firstly, the way we are standing today,
03:07 you are also talking,
03:09 sharing a lot of correct information,
03:11 Rana sir is doing it, Panjota sir is doing it,
03:13 someone can disagree with us.
03:15 But Mr. Badami,
03:16 we did not reach this trend suddenly.
03:18 Yes, right.
03:19 The rules and regulations
03:21 that have been made fun of
03:22 in the last two and a half years,
03:25 if elections were held on time,
03:26 would it have been in September?
03:28 If elections were held on time,
03:29 would this situation have been in Punjab?
03:31 If elections were held on time,
03:33 would there have been such polarization in the country today?
03:36 So, who has played their part in this?
03:38 The Election Commission has also played their part,
03:39 the courts have also played their part,
03:40 the PTI has also played their part,
03:41 the Noon League has also played their part,
03:43 the media has also played their part,
03:44 everyone has played their part.
03:45 So, the problem is that
03:46 we are not allowed to judge
03:47 anything that has been done.
03:50 We will have to look at our overall conduct.
03:53 But the point is that
03:54 we should agree on the minimum
03:56 that this is the rule,
03:57 everyone should do their own work on it.
03:59 So, I think that is the only way
04:01 towards improvement.
04:03 This is absolutely right.
04:04 Mr. Amir, tell us,
04:06 what Mr. Naeem and Mr. Athar
04:07 have said,
04:09 that on 9th May,
04:10 I will give my opinion,
04:12 if someone says that it was planned,
04:13 this was planned, that was planned,
04:14 then Mr. Naeem's opinion can be different from mine.
04:17 But, when you add these things together,
04:22 then doesn't it ruin the overall case?
04:26 For example,
04:27 how can a person have cases
04:30 in six different cities on 9th May?
04:32 It cannot happen in six places.
04:33 Or if 9th May is a failure,
04:35 which I think it is,
04:37 then how can the person who has been hit
04:38 be released after a press conference?
04:41 Or how can there be incidents of entering houses?
04:43 So, don't you think that
04:44 when these incidents happen,
04:45 the real case of 9th May is very strong?
04:48 In which the people of PTI
04:49 proved that there were enough reasons.
04:50 That whole case also gets ruined,
04:51 because then,
04:52 other examples also come,
04:53 that, okay, look,
04:54 you were saying this on 9th May,
04:56 but he has given up the press conference,
04:58 which means you are not serious on 9th May.
04:59 Should such incidents also stop?
05:01 Mr. Amir.
05:03 Look, when we are adding examples
05:05 from the past,
05:06 my friends are also saying that
05:08 this would not have happened,
05:08 the elections would have been held on time,
05:10 the constitution would have been approved.
05:11 Tell me, when the Supreme Court
05:13 rewrote the constitution in 63A,
05:16 if it had not done that,
05:17 neither would Shahbaz Shahbaz's government have gone,
05:19 nor would the Prime Minister of Parvez Ali be elected,
05:21 nor would the Assembly have broken down,
05:22 nor would there have been issues of elections.
05:23 The discussion has started, right?
05:25 Even today, the Supreme Court says,
05:26 we can declare it null and void,
05:29 we can make a statement about the constitution,
05:32 but we cannot make it ourselves.
05:33 This is the right of the Parliament.
05:35 They have finished 63A,
05:39 they have not allowed even a part of the constitution to remain.
05:42 Because there will be no count,
05:44 there will be no vote,
05:45 it is a strange thing,
05:46 this is called facilitation.
05:48 The result of which is that
05:49 the whole of Pakistan is suffering today.
05:50 If it was not for 9th May,
05:51 if it was not for anything else,
05:52 you were going on a system.
05:54 You chose the path of destruction
05:55 from the paths that I am saying
05:57 of the Court.
05:58 That brother, there was
06:00 facilitation there,
06:02 it is there, it will be there.
06:03 Until you all,
06:05 when you have to do revamping,
06:06 then do it.
06:08 Then ask everyone,
06:10 that brother, why doesn't anyone do it,
06:12 when you feel like it,
06:13 you say no.
06:14 But you should remember,
06:16 the day 25th May happened,
06:18 before that,
06:19 there was a DIG in Lahore,
06:22 who was appointed by the Supreme Court to get it done.
06:25 And he had a discussion,
06:27 he told Umar Atta Bandyal sir,
06:29 give him a letter of resignation.
06:30 A person sent him two judges,
06:31 he did not send a discussion to Saqib Nisar sir,
06:33 that if he does it now,
06:34 then we will run this tape in the court,
06:36 that on whose behest is this discussion being done,
06:38 to get it done and put more pressure on the Chief Election Commissioner,
06:40 take the date of the election from this.
06:42 That bench has changed,
06:43 Umar Atta Bandyal sir,
06:44 has taken over that bench.
06:46 This is a strange thing in this country,
06:48 that I like this, I don't like that.
06:50 I speak with a clear picture,
06:53 whether you like it or not,
06:55 you have to do revamping of a lot of things.
06:57 You will have to make everyone sit,
06:59 there is an army,
07:00 there is a judiciary,
07:01 there is a parliament,
07:03 there is our business community,
07:04 and our media,
07:06 which is mentally corrupt,
07:08 that we are the biggest,
07:09 make everyone sit,
07:10 bring them in a can,
07:11 that the country runs with everyone.
07:14 There is no one here,
07:15 that without whom,
07:16 I don't know what will happen,
07:17 everyone went to their graves,
07:19 and we all have to go.
07:20 Now I will just...
07:21 I don't know, the claims are very big.
07:22 The issue is,
07:24 when do we have to sit?
07:25 You think that I have to get my knees put,
07:28 the other thinks that I don't want to listen to anything.
07:31 So you have an institution,
07:33 which is called Parliament,
07:34 on the basis of that,
07:36 PTI can also take a stand,
07:37 which is called,
07:38 our mandate has been snatched.
07:40 Today, when the army says,
07:41 they say that in 2018,
07:44 the army and soldiers,
07:46 were inside the booth of the election.
07:49 They were not outside,
07:50 they were not in the third layer.
07:51 Where all the corruption happened,
07:52 where all this chaos came from,
07:54 that you brought a boy,
07:55 destroyed this country.
07:57 Then do everything,
07:58 then open everything,
07:59 that who was doing what,
08:01 then go to the 47th.
08:02 Or you come,
08:03 that today our country is no longer governable,
08:06 here we have...
08:07 I will conclude everything,
08:08 [INTERPOSING VOICES]