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- Sher Afzal Khan Marwat PTI
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00:00 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:04 As-Salaam-Alaikum.
00:05 In the recent history of Pakistan, the road has had a great impact on politics.
00:11 The protests have had a great impact.
00:13 Who can forget the protests of Khan Sahib and then the big protest of 126 days.
00:18 The road has had a great impact on politics.
00:21 The road has had a great impact on politics.
00:24 The protests of Khan Sahib and then the big protest of 126 days.
00:30 Similarly, who can forget the protests of Tehrik-e-Labbaik and then the big protest of Faizabad.
00:36 Both these protests have had a great impact on the politics of Pakistan in many ways.
00:41 Today's topic is the Tehrik-e-Labbaik and Faizabad protests of Pakistan.
00:46 This is a matter of 2017.
00:48 It was the government of the Muslim League.
00:50 Nawaz Sharif Sahib had been removed.
00:52 The news was that the situation between the agencies and the government was not good.
00:57 The obvious impression was that the situation was bad and that's why he was removed.
01:04 In this situation, Shahid Khan Abbasi became the Prime Minister.
01:07 In this situation, there was a bill for some reforms in the Election Act.
01:10 In the name of this, the government was accused of changing some things that are collected to fight the elections.
01:18 This is a very sensitive issue.
01:22 This is a cause of the end of Prophethood, which is very close to the heart of every Muslim.
01:24 And the faith of every Muslim is such that it has been compromised.
01:27 This issue arose on the floor of the house.
01:30 PTI also criticized it a lot.
01:32 The government was criticized a lot.
01:33 Tehrik-e-Labbaik announced a protest.
01:35 The protest came out.
01:36 The protest reached Islamabad from Punjab.
01:37 He came to Faizabad and sat down.
01:38 He said that the Minister of Law is directly responsible for the removal.
01:41 And what all accusations were not made.
01:42 Kafir, blasphemy and all that.
01:44 At that time, the government first said in secret words and then in open words that
01:50 Brother, Ahsan Iqbal, quote unquote, this protest was not in the cause of the end of Prophethood.
01:55 This was the cause of the end of the government.
01:57 The government had to be finished.
01:58 The agencies had made people sit.
02:00 Khwaja Asif, the government of which was of Bajaj Sahib, he brought the people.
02:04 And he also sent the house back.
02:06 That is, the Noon League kept saying that this was the whole matter of one person to bring down our government.
02:11 And there were enough reasons and evidences to believe it as well.
02:15 At that time, there was a lot more happening, which was getting a strong impression.
02:19 Then the Noon League government obviously left.
02:21 Khan Sahib's government came.
02:22 Fast forward and come forward.
02:24 So what happened was that this matter was happening from different stages.
02:28 Even one more interesting development in this was that there was a judge at that time.
02:32 His name was Qazi Faheed Ishaan.
02:34 He was a judge of the Supreme Court.
02:35 He also wrote this in his findings.
02:38 Let's talk without going into the details, otherwise it will be a long talk.
02:41 He also wrote this in his findings that sir, in the Faizabad protest, Faiz Ameed is also responsible in some way.
02:47 After that, Faiz Sahib became against Faiz Ishaan.
02:50 Okay, this is not an accusation, this is a fact.
02:52 This is because the government at that time sent a reference against the judge named Faiz Ishaan.
02:57 And said that this property is also wrong and this property is also wrong and so on and so on.
03:01 And he made a lot of noise.
03:03 Even then the impression was that this is not the real matter.
03:05 The real matter is that at that time Faiz Ameed Sahib and the institutions were against Faiz Ishaan.
03:10 Because he has declared him responsible in this protest.
03:12 Until then it was an accusation.
03:14 Then Khan Sahib's government went and accepted it.
03:16 They said that this matter was actually used by us.
03:20 Faiz Sahib and Bajwa Sahib said that we have given two references against Faiz Ishaan.
03:25 All this happened.
03:26 The same Faiz Ishaan became the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
03:29 At the behest of the same Supreme Court of Pakistan, a commission was formed.
03:32 What happened in Faizabad in the protest?
03:35 That commission was also mandated.
03:38 That commission took two hearings.
03:40 The story is brief that some of the findings of that commission came in front of the media.
03:45 Two aspects of it are very interesting.
03:47 One is that Faiz Ameed Sahib has a clean chit in it.
03:49 He has nothing to do with this.
03:51 He is not guilty in this regard.
03:54 But the second aspect is more interesting.
03:56 On what basis is that commission giving Faiz Ameed Sahib a clean chit?
03:58 On the basis that he is saying that all the important people of Noor League have come and said that
04:05 Faiz Ameed Sahib had nothing to do with this.
04:08 This is the same Noor League which was saying that this was a project to bring down our government.
04:12 This is the formation of Tehreek-e-Labbaik.
04:14 And this protest was launched by the agency at that time to bring us down.
04:18 But according to the commission's report, no one said that he is responsible.
04:21 This is the same protest in which Faiz Ameed Sahib's signature was also in the agreement.
04:25 This has never happened in the history of Pakistan.
04:27 This has never happened in the history of Pakistan.
04:29 This has never happened in the recent history.
04:31 The ministers at that time objected to this.
04:33 They said that if it was not necessary, then we would have signed.
04:35 But today the same ministers are saying that they had nothing to do with this.
04:38 The most important person at that time, the head of the government at that time,
04:42 the former Prime Minister, Shahid Khan Khan Abbas,
04:44 he has also been mentioned in this report.
04:46 He is also present with us at the moment.
04:48 We are very thankful to him for being with us.
04:51 He is very relevant.
04:53 Let's talk to him.
04:54 Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:56 Wa-alaikum-Salam.
04:57 How are you? Happy Eid.
04:59 Happy Eid to you too. Thank you very much.
05:01 Thank you.
05:02 Sir, let's start from here.
05:04 He has repeatedly said that once a forum is formed,
05:10 we will tell how this protest was used against us,
05:13 how Faiz Sahib brought these people, how Bajwa Sahib brought these people.
05:16 Look, he distributed notes, DG Rangers Punjab.
05:18 This is the biggest proof of this.
05:20 So the forum was formed.
05:21 I will ask the rest of the questions later.
05:23 Didn't you tell this forum that Faiz Sahib was behind this?
05:27 Or you didn't think so? You were saying it wrongly.
05:29 Look, the thing is that this was a commission.
05:37 It was formed on the instructions of the Supreme Court.
05:41 The Supreme Court had framed a few questions.
05:44 The commission called me. I went there.
05:47 I told them for the first time that I was the Prime Minister.
05:51 The government that has taken steps is my responsibility.
05:55 I cannot be exempted from it.
05:59 So, whether it was good or bad, wrong or right,
06:03 I was the Prime Minister, it was my responsibility.
06:05 I had the authority, it was my responsibility.
06:07 My minister has done something, it is my responsibility.
06:10 This is the collective responsibility of the cabinet.
06:13 So, it is our responsibility.
06:16 Now, they had a few questions.
06:19 I told them not to ask these questions in this way.
06:23 You write them down and give them to me.
06:25 I will write them down and give you the answer.
06:27 So, I wrote down the answers to all the questions they asked.
06:31 Now, if permission is given to me,
06:35 because it is a legal body, it is made under the law,
06:38 I will make the questions public,
06:41 the questions that came and the answers I gave.
06:43 The Prime Minister, in your opinion, was Faiz Ameed behind this or not?
06:49 Or was the institution behind this or not?
06:51 I don't remember. I can check and tell you.
06:54 I don't think there was any such question.
06:56 These were very generalised questions.
06:59 And they were very strange questions.
07:05 I was surprised myself.
07:06 For example?
07:07 Yes.
07:08 For example?
07:09 Yes.
07:10 For example?
07:11 If you had asked me, I would have given you questions.
07:15 Why was IB not used? Why was ISI doing this?
07:20 What is the status of IB? What is the status of ISI?
07:23 These were legal questions.
07:27 Even if you didn't ask these questions,
07:29 what better opportunity did you have than a forum,
07:32 the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
07:33 who is on this? This is the Supreme Court,
07:35 there is no legal body on this.
07:37 A commission was made on his request.
07:39 He is not asking questions, but you bring it on record.
07:41 What are you asking?
07:43 Is it the real matter or was he behind this?
07:45 And this is the proof.
07:46 Look, the commission asks questions.
07:48 The commission asked questions, I sent them an answer.
07:51 I thought the commission would call again.
07:53 There would be a discussion, everything would be done.
07:55 After that, the commission became silent.
07:57 Then I heard that they made a report.
07:59 So I found out from the press that came today.
08:02 So I am still present.
08:03 If the Supreme Court wants to ask something,
08:05 or the commission wants to ask more, then I am present.
08:07 If they don't ask, then you had an opinion that
08:09 the institution and Faiz Amit Sahib were against it.
08:12 So even if the commission didn't ask,
08:14 if you had said it, it would have come on record
08:16 that Mr. Shahid Sultan Abbas has said this.
08:18 Responding to a question or otherwise, he said this.
08:20 Why didn't you say it?
08:21 I have never said this.
08:23 And nor am I capable of saying this.
08:26 Because I was in a responsible position.
08:29 It was a legal position.
08:31 And I cannot make a biased opinion.
08:34 This opinion can be made,
08:36 whether or not Faiz Amit Sahib was behind it.
08:39 Is this your opinion?
08:40 No, I cannot talk about my opinion.
08:43 I don't have any evidence.
08:44 I don't have any evidence that
08:46 General Bajwa did this or General Faiz Amit did this.
08:50 So when you are in such positions,
08:52 what should you not be biased about?
08:54 An innocent question.
08:55 You have given your opinion.
08:56 An innocent question.
08:57 Your question will not be innocent.
08:58 You can ask.
09:02 You may find this question as a question of the commission.
09:05 But I will ask.
09:06 That is why I took the support of the innocent.
09:08 I am thinking of a question.
09:10 You don't have any evidence that he was against it.
09:13 Although it is a different matter that
09:14 Ahsan Iqbal and Khawaja Asif kept saying.
09:16 I will talk about them later.
09:18 But you don't have any evidence.
09:19 But tell me, why did Faiz Amit Sahib
09:22 go against Faiz Issa?
09:24 When Faiz Issa said that
09:26 he thought Faiz Amit Sahib had a role in this protest.
09:28 After that, Faiz Amit Sahib went against him.
09:30 And the matter came to the point that
09:31 he sent a reference against him.
09:32 This is not a speculation.
09:33 The Prime Minister himself is saying this.
09:34 Imran Khan said that
09:35 Faiz Sahib said that he should go against Faiz Amit Sahib.
09:37 So if Faiz Amit Sahib had no connection with that protest,
09:40 then why did Faiz Sahib call him responsible?
09:42 And then Faiz Sahib started a protest against him in the fourth year.
09:46 No, look, you have answered the question you asked.
09:50 That if a Prime Minister
09:53 is filing a reference on the request of a General,
09:57 then whose fault is it?
10:00 The Prime Minister.
10:01 It is not a common thing to file a reference
10:03 against a Supreme Court judge.
10:06 So the responsibility lies with the Prime Minister.
10:09 Like I said, whatever happened in that era
10:13 is my responsibility.
10:14 So if Khan Sahib sent a reference,
10:16 then it will be his responsibility.
10:17 Absolutely.
10:18 But in your opinion, why did Faiz Sahib send a reference against Faiz Issa?
10:20 You can't say that, I said it to the former Prime Minister.
10:21 But in your opinion, why did Faiz Sahib send a reference against Faiz Issa?
10:23 I don't know whether Faiz Sahib sent a reference or not.
10:27 The reference is sent by the Prime Minister.
10:28 The President signs on it.
10:29 Ask those two people who made the reference.
10:31 And the Prime Minister is saying that
10:32 I sent a reference against Faiz Sahib and I did wrong.
10:34 I agree.
10:36 Then he should not have been the Prime Minister.
10:38 If you are making a reference on the request of a General,
10:42 then you are not the Prime Minister.
10:44 Otherwise, the General was more responsible and more powerful.
10:48 And if you are the Prime Minister
10:50 and a General of yours
10:51 signs on a petition without your knowledge,
10:53 then you are the Prime Minister.
10:56 No, it didn't happen without my knowledge.
10:58 My Prime Minister was present there.
10:59 He signed on it.
11:00 When he signed on it,
11:03 then it became my responsibility.
11:04 I accept that responsibility.
11:06 Did you know that Faiz Ameer Sahib was going to sign on it?
11:10 I don't know about Faiz Ameer Sahib.
11:13 My Prime Minister was present there.
11:14 He was dealing.
11:15 So, the petition was signed in front of him.
11:18 So, if he has accepted it,
11:20 he has signed it,
11:21 then it has become my responsibility.
11:22 So, I have also approved it.
11:26 Okay.
11:27 And this…
11:28 I have to say something about this.
11:30 Then I will ask you a question.
11:32 This…
11:33 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal has something to say about this.
11:35 He said this in our program.
11:36 Please listen to it.
11:37 There was an agreement that you people had made.
11:40 And interestingly, you had signed it.
11:42 In your signature,
11:43 you were the Minister of Fidelity from the Federal Government.
11:45 In your opinion,
11:47 was every word of that agreement correct?
11:48 We had made an agreement at that time.
11:51 The specific circumstances of that agreement
11:53 are also in your knowledge.
11:55 This is an open secret.
11:58 At that time,
12:00 the government did not have the cooperation of all institutions
12:04 that this government has today.
12:07 We had made that agreement.
12:08 We did that with the consultation of all institutions.
12:12 This is the reason that after that,
12:13 we did not have any problem.
12:16 And…
12:18 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal is also being told…
12:20 First, tell us,
12:21 is it correct that you did not have the cooperation of all institutions?
12:24 Yes, this is his impression.
12:26 Certainly,
12:27 the government was broken at that time.
12:29 This is his impression.
12:30 You must have had experience.
12:31 You were the Minister.
12:32 You tell us,
12:33 you will not talk about the impression.
12:34 You will tell us your experience.
12:35 No, I can tell you from my experience…
12:36 Whether there was support or not.
12:37 Look, I can tell you from my experience
12:40 that there was no cooperation that was supposed to be there.
12:42 We did not have the cooperation of the Punjab government.
12:44 The Punjab government had left the people of the protest
12:49 and went to the Faizabad bridge.
12:51 And when all this happened,
12:54 when the Islamabad police carried out the proceedings under court orders,
12:57 not a single person from the Punjab police came there.
13:00 When the attack on Mr. Indusar's house took place,
13:02 no Punjab police came there.
13:04 And at that time,
13:06 you had told Mr. Shahbaz Shari that
13:08 don't send him here, don't let him come here,
13:10 stop him there.
13:11 Look, it was their responsibility.
13:14 That they should stop him.
13:15 A procession has come from the whole of Punjab.
13:18 The police were with them.
13:19 They came and left Faizabad.
13:21 So when you must have told Mr. Shahbaz Shari,
13:24 the Prime Minister Shahid Khan,
13:26 the Prime Minister of Punjab, Mr. Shahbaz Shari,
13:27 that sir, why is he coming here from Punjab?
13:29 What did he say to you?
13:30 Yes, I did not ask him.
13:32 But the fact was that at that time,
13:34 the Punjab government itself was bankrupt
13:35 after the incident of the murder of the town.
13:37 They did not want any such matter
13:40 that if someone else's life is lost,
13:42 then more files should be filed against them.
13:44 All these branches go together and join one day.
13:47 When you bankrupted the entire system of the Punjab government
13:50 with the incident of the murder of the town,
13:52 then the matter does not go ahead.
13:54 Who did the murder of the town?
13:55 The Punjab police did it, right?
13:56 The Punjab police is under the government.
13:58 You are saying that you bankrupted it by doing the murder of the town.
14:01 The Punjab government did it.
14:02 No, what you mean is that the system has bankrupted it.
14:06 When you, whatever happened there,
14:08 you started doing business on the highest officials,
14:11 on the Prime Minister, on the Prime Minister,
14:13 on the officers.
14:14 So when this protest took place,
14:16 they said, "Okay, we do not stop anyone.
14:19 We go and protect them and bring them to Faizabad."
14:22 So they left it.
14:24 And after that, no one took part in this matter.
14:27 Now, your question again gives the impression
14:29 that behind the modern town,
14:31 there was a conspiracy of the modern town against the Punjab government at that time.
14:34 You think for yourself.
14:35 Has this ever happened?
14:37 What happened there,
14:38 we do not know what the reality of that matter is.
14:40 So, sir, the same problem is that you put an allegation on time,
14:42 then when the time comes to prove it,
14:44 you say, "I do not have proof."
14:45 Regarding the Faizabad protest,
14:46 did Ahsan Iqbal Sahib do this deliberately?
14:48 Do you think for yourself, does anyone like this come?
14:50 And now when a commission has been made,
14:51 no one is talking about this there.
14:53 Look, I am not putting an allegation on the modern town.
14:55 There are GITs there,
14:56 there are their reports.
14:58 You have bankrupted the government.
15:00 When that protest took place,
15:01 they did not handle it.
15:02 They said, "Okay, we have this way of protecting ourselves
15:05 and send them there."
15:08 Now, what support do you keep on giving all day?
15:11 Look, when you present yourself in front of the commission,
15:13 and talk from the position of a responsible person,
15:15 then you cannot do it on your own.
15:17 You have to talk according to your facts.
15:20 But you just said, Shahid Khan Sahib,
15:22 that I did not know that Faiz Sahib was signing the signature,
15:26 but since I had appointed him,
15:27 my minister has said okay, then fine,
15:29 I will take responsibility.
15:30 But Ahsan Iqbal Sahib has a different story to tell.
15:33 He says that it was your opinion,
15:34 that is, Shahid Khan Sahib's opinion,
15:36 that Faiz Sahib should not sign the signature.
15:38 What exactly did he say?
15:39 Let's listen to Ahsan Iqbal Sahib's answer.
15:40 I will tell you in Capital Talk.
15:42 This agreement was being made.
15:44 So I was in touch with the Prime Minister.
15:46 So when I told the Prime Minister about this whole thing,
15:49 then maybe Khakhan Abbasi Sahib said,
15:52 that it does not look good that the General should sign it.
15:56 Then I also said to him,
15:57 I said, "General Sahib, this is your political document,
16:00 it will not look appropriate for you to sign on it."
16:03 He replied,
16:05 "Yes, those people want, the other party wants,
16:07 that I should sign on it."
16:09 So, he is right, Ahsan Iqbal Sahib,
16:11 you said that it is better that Faiz Sahib should not sign it.
16:14 Yes, yes, that is absolutely right.
16:16 I also told Ahsan Sahib that he should not sign it.
16:19 So when I found out that he had signed it,
16:21 I asked him,
16:22 he told me the same thing that he had mentioned.
16:25 When he said this,
16:26 I said, "Okay, you were there on the occasion,
16:28 you have made a decision, it is right."
16:30 Before signing, did you tell Ahsan Sahib or Faiz Sahib,
16:32 that it is better that Faiz Sahib does not sign it?
16:34 No, I did not talk to Faiz Sahib,
16:36 I talked to Ahsan Sahib.
16:37 I said, "You people should not sign it.
16:39 Either the DC sign it, or the Commissioner sign it,
16:41 or the DIG police or the IG police will do it.
16:44 You people should not do it."
16:46 But when he made a decision on the occasion,
16:48 then my decision also becomes a decision.
16:50 Because when I signed it,
16:52 it was 5 or 6 in the morning,
16:54 he made a decision, and the matter is over.
16:56 It is right that in the meeting of the Cabinet,
16:58 obviously in your administration,
17:00 Faiz Ameer Sahib was present,
17:02 and in which the Rangers were told to head this operation,
17:04 in that too, Faiz Sahib was told that
17:06 you should also take responsibility for this matter,
17:08 and that is why you are doing this.
17:10 No, no, there is no such meeting.
17:12 This is a strange thing that has been spread.
17:14 We did a meeting on the day of the Buddha.
17:16 Right.
17:18 In which we discussed,
17:20 and I do not remember whether Faiz Ameer Sahib was there or not.
17:22 I do not remember at all.
17:24 But I heard that his minutes were written in it.
17:26 I do not remember.
17:28 I will read it and tell you.
17:30 Point number 14 says,
17:32 "Facts had also been confirmed by minutes of meeting
17:34 22nd November 2017
17:36 held under chairmanship
17:38 of then Prime Minister,
17:40 which is you of course,
17:42 where clear directions were given
17:44 to DGC
17:46 to resolve the matter
17:48 after carrying out negotiations
17:50 with TLP leadership."
17:52 He is saying that in this meeting,
17:54 Faiz Ameer Sahib was given clear directions
17:56 that you are solving this.
17:58 I do not remember the date of the meeting.
18:00 There was a meeting.
18:02 During the protest,
18:04 there were two meetings.
18:06 I had chaired them.
18:08 One was on the day of Buddha.
18:10 If this date is consistent with the day of Buddha,
18:12 then this is the same meeting.
18:14 There was no such decision in that meeting.
18:16 In that meeting, we had decided
18:18 that we will squeeze this protest.
18:20 We will reduce the number of guests
18:22 and food that they receive.
18:24 We will make it difficult
18:26 so that they also feel a little bit of a strain.
18:28 Otherwise, there was a free-for-all going on.
18:30 In the end, I decided
18:32 that the time for that action
18:34 will be determined
18:36 by me and Ahsan Iqbal Sahib.
18:38 The meeting on Buddha ended
18:40 on this point.
18:42 On Thursday,
18:44 a petition came to the Istanbul High Court
18:46 that this protest is taking place
18:48 and the public is in great pain.
18:50 On this, the High Court
18:52 said that the meeting
18:54 will be resumed
18:56 on Thursday.
18:58 The High Court took notice
19:00 and called for the meeting on Friday.
19:02 All the organizations were called.
19:04 I think Ahsan Iqbal Sahib was also present.
19:06 The High Court ordered
19:08 that the protest must be removed
19:10 before Monday.
19:12 The public must be released
19:14 and no force should be used.
19:16 This was the contradiction
19:18 of the decision
19:20 that we had made on the day of Buddha.
19:22 You are saying that in any meeting,
19:24 whether it is the meeting on Buddha
19:26 or on the day of Iqbal Sahib,
19:28 this is wrong.
19:30 You were given clear directions
19:32 to resolve the matter.
19:34 This was not a meeting on the day of Kabina.
19:36 This was a small meeting.
19:38 In any meeting,
19:40 Faiz Ameer Sahib was told
19:42 to look into this matter.
19:44 I am saying that you should check
19:46 which day this is being discussed.
19:48 Sir, I am saying that
19:50 this was done on any day.
19:52 Is this a fact or a contradiction?
19:54 I don't remember
19:56 that Faiz Ameer Sahib was
19:58 held responsible for this.
20:00 This was all Ahsan Iqbal Sahib's responsibility.
20:02 Whoever he co-opted,
20:04 he would get his rights.
20:06 I don't remember
20:08 giving any instructions
20:10 that Faiz Ameer Sahib would deal with this protest.
20:12 Next, the commission says
20:14 that Mr. Shahid Hakan Abbasi
20:16 in his statement confirmed
20:18 that no individual or organization
20:20 was involved in organizing
20:22 or facilitating the Faizabad protest.
20:24 You are saying that you don't have any evidence.
20:26 I don't know if there was anyone involved.
20:28 You are saying that Hakan Abbasi
20:30 confirmed that there was no one involved.
20:32 Is this right or wrong?
20:34 I will have to see
20:36 what question was asked.
20:38 You should have given an answer.
20:40 You gave an answer a while ago.
20:42 I would have given an answer
20:44 about a question.
20:46 I can check and tell you
20:48 if the question was
20:50 whether you said
20:52 that we have to control
20:54 this protest
20:56 in this way
20:58 or if there is someone involved.
21:00 My answer is that
21:02 I don't have any evidence
21:04 that there was someone involved or not.
21:06 We saw that the Punjab Police
21:08 left the protesters there.
21:10 Okay.
21:12 This is a question from Wasim Badami.
21:14 The commission forgets the innocent question.
21:16 Wasim Badami is asking Hakan Abbasi
21:18 was any individual or organization
21:20 involved in organizing
21:22 or facilitating the Faizabad protest?
21:24 Wasim Badami,
21:26 you are asking me
21:28 I was in a responsible position.
21:30 Should I give a statement
21:32 or should I speak according to the evidence
21:34 that I had knowledge of?
21:36 These people were present there.
21:38 Islamabad Police tried to
21:40 take action on the court order.
21:42 They shed tears.
21:44 They shed tears again.
21:46 There is also news
21:48 that they were fired.
21:50 I have seen this with my own eyes.
21:52 We were going to Lahore
21:54 in a helicopter.
21:56 These are the things that happened.
21:58 I can't say that
22:00 there is someone involved or not.
22:02 I don't have any evidence.
22:04 I will tell you another opinion of Ahsan Iqbal.
22:06 I think you don't agree with this opinion.
22:08 Ahsan Iqbal is saying that
22:10 this is a project of the government.
22:12 This was a very dangerous game
22:14 that was played at that time.
22:16 This religious card
22:18 that was played
22:20 was the operation
22:22 to topple our government.
22:24 The whole action was the same.
22:26 Its purpose was not
22:28 to end the movement of the Prophethood.
22:30 All the movement
22:32 was to end the government.
22:34 I think that the action
22:36 that Justice Qazi Faiz did
22:38 is very good.
22:40 We should tackle this
22:42 so that it doesn't repeat in the future.
22:44 You didn't give any affidavit.
22:46 Shahid Khan Abbasi also said
22:48 that he will tell us when the court calls him.
22:50 The whole world has given it.
22:52 If the court had called him,
22:54 we would have told him
22:56 whatever we know.
22:58 But I think that the thing
23:00 that he has noticed is very good.
23:02 He should end it forever.
23:04 So your opinion on this
23:06 is that Ahsan Iqbal
23:08 will say that he doesn't have it.
23:10 No, there is no need to answer.
23:12 The answer is that the government
23:14 was finished. We came after that.
23:16 Ahsan Iqbal is talking
23:18 about the first protest
23:20 that took place in Faizabad.
23:22 That will happen.
23:24 I don't have any evidence
23:26 of any person's involvement or anyone else.
23:28 If the Supreme Court calls him
23:30 and asks him what he wants to say,
23:32 I will tell him.
23:34 Ahsan Iqbal
23:36 is also talking about this protest
23:38 that has been reported.
23:40 Khawaja Asif is for sure talking about this protest.
23:42 He is saying that he asked Bajwa
23:44 why he was giving money.
23:46 He said that he was giving money
23:48 to the Rangers.
23:50 Who brought him here?
23:52 Who brought him here in Faizabad?
23:54 The people who started
23:56 the conspiracy against Mian Nawaz Sharif
23:58 were the people who brought him here.
24:00 Mian Nawaz Sharif told us
24:02 who started the conspiracy against him.
24:04 General Faiz and some retired judges.
24:06 Absolutely right.
24:08 These people brought Tehreek-e-Labaik
24:10 to Faizabad.
24:12 The number of times
24:14 Tehreek-e-Labaik has come in that time,
24:16 maybe they have made
24:18 some free decisions,
24:20 but the number of times
24:22 they have come and given money,
24:24 the video was the biggest proof
24:26 that who brought them here
24:28 and who will come to break their car.
24:30 I will tell you,
24:32 the money that was given,
24:34 we asked the security committee,
24:36 I asked General Bajwa,
24:38 why he gave the money.
24:40 He said that he did not have any rent,
24:42 we gave him the rent and he went back home.
24:44 Did General Bajwa tell you?
24:46 He told me.
24:48 Do conspirators ever believe
24:50 that we have conspired?
24:52 Khayar Asif, we are talking about this protest.
24:54 What is your opinion?
24:56 What kind of opinion can you give?
24:58 I do not have any proof
25:00 that they have conspired.
25:02 If you want,
25:04 the Supreme Court should appoint a commission
25:06 to ask all these questions.
25:08 Ask me, IG Police,
25:10 ask all the cases,
25:12 ask what happened,
25:14 who did what,
25:16 what did they say,
25:18 when did they say it,
25:20 then you will reach the bottom of this.
25:22 I will start accusing Army Chief
25:24 or someone else that they conspired,
25:26 I do not have any proof.
25:28 Was the Hezabat protest used
25:30 to weaken the government?
25:32 I am saying that,
25:34 what was the purpose?
25:36 I was the Prime Minister of the country,
25:38 what was happening there was beyond us.
25:40 I never spoke to Faiz.
25:42 Ahsan Iqbal was my minister,
25:44 he made the decision and I supported it.
25:46 You are saying that the protest was
25:48 to weaken our government,
25:50 and whatever was happening was beyond me.
25:52 Not only the government,
25:54 the country was also weakening.
25:56 I do not have any proof
25:58 that I can say that someone was doing it.
26:00 You are saying that we were being
26:02 harassed and you are saying
26:04 that we were being weakened.
26:06 I will answer your questions.
26:08 It was not in my knowledge.
26:10 Whoever did it knows what happened.
26:12 I do not have any proof.
26:14 Then why were you saying that
26:16 I was being harassed?
26:18 I was being harassed.
26:20 If there was a conspiracy,
26:22 I was not involved in it.
26:24 What is your opinion on the
26:26 distribution of Rs.1000?
26:28 What was the reason?
26:30 The officers who were distributed
26:32 the money,
26:34 there was a case against them.
26:36 They said that
26:38 they were young boys
26:40 and they did not have money to pay the rent.
26:42 It was a very strange thing.
26:44 This is what they said.
26:46 Okay, this is the rent.
26:48 When you come to protest,
26:50 you have to go home,
26:52 you have to pay the rent.
26:54 This is why Khwaja Asif
26:56 said that he brought them here
26:58 and they left the house.
27:00 But we should not be involved
27:02 in the matter of
27:04 taking money or giving opinions.
27:06 If you want to reach the bottom of the matter,
27:08 then you should appoint a commission
27:10 to ask for all the facts,
27:12 call all the institutions and
27:14 ask them what they were doing.
27:16 And you and Shahbaz Sherry
27:18 had an argument in this regard
27:20 that Zayed Hamid should not be given the resignation.
27:22 Shahbaz Sherry said
27:24 that if the matter was over, then he should be given the resignation.
27:26 Zayed Hamid has always been
27:28 kind to me.
27:30 He always said that
27:32 to end this matter,
27:34 I am ready to give up my life.
27:36 But I said that we have no connection
27:38 with this matter.
27:40 The reality of this matter is that
27:42 whatever changes have taken place in the HALF
27:44 it has been pointed out.
27:46 Who did it, how did it happen,
27:48 we will discuss it.
27:50 It is written in the report that Hafiz Abdullah pointed out
27:52 the point of order.
27:54 Although the PTI did not give political mileage.
27:56 But according to the report, Hafiz Abdullah pointed it out first.
27:58 Yes, he pointed it out.
28:00 Then there was voting
28:02 to reverse it.
28:04 And there the PTI
28:06 and the People's Party together
28:08 defeated that motion.
28:10 And the new wording
28:12 remained the same.
28:14 The Muslim League
28:16 and other parties
28:18 voted against it
28:20 to end the amendment.
28:22 And to keep the old
28:24 wording intact.
28:26 Yes, it is like that.
28:28 But this is right.
28:30 So what was the fault in this?
28:32 Zayed Hamid, please explain this.
28:34 But still, Mr. Shahbaz,
28:36 you used to think that
28:38 you should get the resignation
28:40 and end the matter.
28:42 Look, there was a matter to be ended.
28:44 I told you that today you are
28:46 throwing one more person, tomorrow you can throw the ministers too.
28:48 Under this.
28:50 This is not how the country works.
28:52 This is our weakness.
28:54 And in this regard, in the PM House,
28:56 there was a harsh argument
28:58 between you and Mr. Shahbaz
29:00 regarding the Secretary's admission.
29:02 No, no, there was never any harsh argument.
29:04 I always express my opinion.
29:06 You can consider it a harsh argument, whatever you want.
29:08 And I had a very clear opinion on it
29:10 that Zayed Hamid
29:12 is not at fault of our Jamaat.
29:14 If you want to put someone at fault,
29:16 then put it on the People's Party and PTI.
29:18 Those who voted for the amendment
29:20 and did not let it happen.
29:22 That is, the new words that are in place.
29:24 This is part of the Senate.
29:26 This is part of the Senate record.
29:28 Now, as a subject,
29:30 all the points of this report,
29:32 which I have read and told you,
29:34 what will you say?
29:36 Will you say it contrary to the facts,
29:38 according to the facts,
29:40 that the Commission has put forward?
29:42 Look, the Commission,
29:44 the questions it asked,
29:46 people have answered it.
29:48 The Commission should have called
29:50 other witnesses,
29:52 who would have given other statements.
29:54 If they had called me,
29:56 I would have given more statements.
29:58 I would have put many facts in front of them.
30:00 They did not call me.
30:02 I only answered the questions they asked.
30:04 So that there is no doubt.
30:06 The Commission has written the reason
30:08 for no one, including the former
30:10 Prime Minister, former Interior Minister,
30:12 former Law Minister,
30:14 former Chief Minister of Punjab,
30:16 since no one accused intelligence agencies
30:18 or any other official of the agency
30:20 for extending facilitation to the protesters,
30:22 nor other evidence was brought forward.
30:24 Therefore, therefore,
30:26 the Commission could not connect any organization
30:28 or state official in supporting TLP to organize Arna.
30:30 He is right. He is saying that when no one is
30:32 holding him responsible,
30:34 then why should he connect with anyone?
30:36 Look, the responsibility that is to be held,
30:38 I said that it is based on some evidence.
30:40 We cannot do everything.
30:42 If the Commission had asked questions,
30:44 had called the witnesses,
30:46 that who were you,
30:48 what were you doing,
30:50 had tried to reach to the bottom of this,
30:52 then you would have known the truth.
30:54 The Commission had called the witnesses
30:56 when no one was accusing the agency.
30:58 Then why did the Commission call the agency?
31:00 The Supreme Court had accused the agency.
31:02 Now the Commission had to investigate.
31:04 They had given us written questions
31:06 and we had given written answers to them.
31:08 If they had asked more questions,
31:10 we would have given more answers.
31:12 Your opinion was more important than the Supreme Court's.
31:14 In this case, you were the Prime Minister,
31:16 he was the Minister of Interior,
31:18 you were the Minister of State.
31:20 You are saying that no one is behind this.
31:22 Then why did the Commission call the agency?
31:24 He is right.
31:26 I will answer the question you ask me.
31:28 I still say that I have no evidence
31:30 that the agency was involved here.
31:32 It is not necessary.
31:34 You can call the agency.
31:36 I did not commit any crime
31:38 that I was giving a statement there.
31:40 I was also a part of that incident.
31:42 I was called.
31:44 It was my responsibility.
31:46 It was the responsibility of the agency.
31:48 I should have called everyone and asked.
31:50 And the Commission has repeatedly said
31:52 that the Punjab government
31:54 could not play its role.
31:56 Do you agree with this?
31:58 The Punjab government did not do anything.
32:00 They did not help the Islamabad police.
32:02 They did not help to control the riot.
32:04 They did not do what they should have done.
32:06 They attacked the house of Chaudhary Nisar.
32:08 They tried to burn it.
32:10 They did not try.
32:12 No officer, no person,
32:14 no one came near Faisalabad.
32:16 I saw it myself.
32:18 I saw it myself that in both the incidents
32:20 when the Islamabad police carried out the investigation
32:22 and attacked Chaudhary Nisar
32:24 and the house,
32:26 only one Punjab police officer
32:28 was standing at Chandni Chowk,
32:30 which is 2-3 km away.
32:32 Yes, absolutely right.
32:34 And you understand that the Punjab government
32:36 should have done all the work
32:38 that they did not do.
32:40 See, whether they should have done it or not,
32:42 controlling the law and order
32:44 is the job of every government agency.
32:46 If they did not come there,
32:48 then they have made a mistake.
32:50 But you also keep in mind
32:52 these circumstances.
32:54 If you do not have the power
32:56 to do anything,
32:58 then you should also keep in mind
33:00 that after the incident of Model Town,
33:02 no officer was ready to make a decision.
33:04 Maybe that is why they did not come.
33:06 Anyway, they could have been called
33:08 and asked why they did not come.
33:10 And the commission also recommends
33:12 that although a period of 6 and a half years
33:14 has passed, the cases must be reopened
33:16 against those involved in acts of terror
33:18 and other crimes
33:20 during the 21 days of Dharna.
33:22 Do you agree?
33:24 Should this be done?
33:26 If you have signed the petition,
33:28 then you should do it.
33:30 I don't think there was any petition.
33:32 And when you signed the agreement,
33:34 then the matter was over.
33:36 So, it is not possible that this will happen.
33:38 What do you want to do?
33:40 Please tell us.
33:42 Mr. Badami,
33:44 you read the Supreme Court's decision
33:46 and the questions that were framed.
33:48 The questions that were asked by me
33:50 were very clear.
33:52 I don't want to use
33:54 more words than this.
33:56 So, this is a strange matter.
33:58 You will say that the words
34:00 of the commission are at least
34:02 dissatisfactory.
34:04 I will say that
34:06 make a commission on the commission
34:08 and see what the commission was doing.
34:10 Okay.
34:12 The Supreme Court has not yet been
34:14 officially assembled.
34:16 Will you blow the Supreme Court?
34:18 What did Biden do?
34:20 The questions of the Supreme Court
34:22 are also very strange.
34:24 The commission worked in their light.
34:26 Your answers are strange.
34:28 I don't know what is happening.
34:30 The question I was asked was very clear.
34:32 I gave a very clear answer.
34:34 But the questions were such
34:36 that they were of a general nature.
34:38 They were of a legal nature.
34:40 They had no direct relationship
34:42 with the protest.
34:44 Okay.
34:46 There was a lot of discussion on this.
34:48 But as a whole,
34:50 these are the days
34:52 that are very sad for you.
34:54 I am sure these are the days
34:56 that are very sad for you.
34:58 It was 10th April or 10th to 16th April
35:00 when the Ujjwadi camp took place.
35:02 Your father died in it.
35:04 Yes, my father and brother.
35:06 Your brother lived in a coma for 14 years.
35:08 Yes.
35:10 He lived in a coma for 14 years
35:12 and then died.
35:14 What do I say?
35:16 The Ujjwadi camp was an area
35:18 where weapons were deposited.
35:20 Missiles were fired from there.
35:22 Different people were injured.
35:24 Your father and brother were hit.
35:26 I still don't know what happened
35:28 in the Ujjwadi camp.
35:30 Suddenly an incident took place.
35:32 I don't know what happened.
35:34 Then the government of the moon came.
35:36 You yourself were the Prime Minister.
35:38 I don't know who did it.
35:40 We are talking about the Faizabad Commission.
35:42 There were 100 incidents
35:44 in the Ujjwadi camp.
35:46 You never thought about the Ujjwadi camp.
35:48 You should investigate it.
35:50 You should know what happened.
35:52 What will you investigate?
35:54 All the people who were in power
35:56 were killed in the August 17 incident.
35:58 Who will you question?
36:00 You need to investigate these issues.
36:02 But 36 years have passed.
36:04 What will you investigate?
36:06 It should have been done on time.
36:08 The government of the moon came.
36:10 This incident should have been done on time.
36:12 The government of the moon came.
36:14 This incident should have been done on time.
36:16 The government of the moon came in 1990.
36:18 This incident should have been done on time.
36:20 The government of the moon is not responsible.
36:22 The government of the time is responsible.
36:24 This incident is not against a single community.
36:26 This was a big incident.
36:28 It should have been done on time.
36:30 It didn't happen.
36:32 You are again totally
36:34 unclear about what happened.
36:36 Do you have any idea?
36:38 No, I don't have any idea.
36:40 I don't have any idea.
36:42 I will tell you everything.
36:44 Someone said that it was done on its own.
36:46 Someone said that it was an accident.
36:48 Someone said that it was an audit.
36:50 Someone said that it was done on its own.
36:52 There are many strange things.
36:54 There are many strange things.
36:56 I have left this matter to Allah.
36:58 I have left this matter to Allah.
37:00 The people who were responsible
37:02 will be punished one day.
37:04 You were not in the country when you heard this news.
37:06 Yes, I was in Saudi Arabia.
37:08 I was working there.
37:10 Otherwise, you had no intention
37:12 to come into politics
37:14 if this incident had not happened.
37:16 No, we are not a political family.
37:18 I had no such intention.
37:20 It was the work of nature.
37:22 It has been 36 years.
37:24 Towards the end,
37:26 do you have any intention
37:28 to be active in politics again
37:30 as a member of a political party?
37:32 Yes, of course.
37:34 I did not leave politics.
37:36 I did not agree with the situation
37:38 and the events of this election.
37:40 I did not agree with the politics of my party.
37:42 I did not participate in the election.
37:44 I thought this was a better way.
37:46 But I consider it my responsibility
37:48 to play my role in national politics.
37:50 This country has given me a lot of respect
37:52 and experience.
37:54 What platform will you use to play that role?
37:56 We are working on a new party.
37:58 We have many friends.
38:00 God willing,
38:02 a new and better party will come
38:04 which will improve the situation of the country.
38:06 How long will it take?
38:08 In the next 4-6 weeks.
38:10 In 6-8 weeks.
38:12 Ismail Mufti and Mustafa Nawaz will be part of this party?
38:14 Yes, yes.
38:16 There are many more friends.
38:18 But they are there, right?
38:20 Yes, they are.
38:22 The Zindni election is coming.
38:24 I don't know how long it will take.
38:26 Will you participate in it?
38:28 No, no.
38:30 Electoral politics comes later.
38:32 But I want to express my point of view
38:34 to the people.
38:36 Why are you coming to politics?
38:38 Why is a new party coming?
38:40 What are its objectives?
38:42 What will it do?
38:44 God willing,
38:46 a better party will come
38:48 which will improve the situation of the country.
38:50 Will this government be able to fulfill the 5-year term?
38:52 Do you mean to fulfill the term
38:54 or to work?
38:56 To complete the term.
38:58 It is possible to complete the term.
39:00 But the country will be at a loss.
39:02 This government will be at a loss.
39:04 Thank you very much.
39:08 We were talking to Shahid Khakan Abbasi.
39:10 We will talk about the history
39:12 and the past.
39:14 And also about the present.
39:16 We will come back after a break.
39:18 Welcome.
39:26 He is one of the senior leaders of Pakistan Jurisprudence.
39:28 He is Sher Afzal Marwat.
39:30 We met him today.
39:32 Gauhar told us that
39:34 he has given him a task about the upcoming elections.
39:36 Let's quickly ask him.
39:38 Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
39:40 Walikum Assalam.
39:42 Respected Mr. Badami.
39:44 Happy Eid, Mr. Marwat.
39:46 You too.
39:48 Did you have any special
39:50 meeting today?
39:52 I will ask you specific questions.
39:54 Yesterday, Ali Zaidi was on television
39:56 and he said that
39:58 he did not leave the PTI.
40:00 He did not join the IPP.
40:02 Mr. Fawad has also been
40:04 re-elected.
40:06 He is also giving his statement against Noorli.
40:08 Do you have any opinion
40:10 on this?
40:12 Do you think that the people who are saying
40:14 that they did not leave the party willingly,
40:16 should they be taken back?
40:18 Those who did not leave the party
40:24 after May,
40:26 through press conference,
40:28 tweet,
40:30 or through an anchor's program,
40:32 did they leave the party?
40:34 In this regard,
40:36 there is no
40:38 benchmark at the moment.
40:40 But the
40:42 broader outline
40:44 that we have understood from Mr. Khan's statement,
40:46 is in reference to
40:48 2-3 people
40:50 who Mr. Khan thinks
40:52 that perhaps
40:54 there is a way out for them.
40:56 The people you mentioned,
41:00 Ali Zaidi,
41:02 Fawad Saudis,
41:04 all those people who
41:06 initially left Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
41:08 and while leaving,
41:10 some people
41:12 put allegations against the PTI,
41:14 in reference to Mr. Khan.
41:16 In this regard, Mr. Khan says
41:20 that these are the people
41:22 who, if they had stayed in the beginning,
41:24 then perhaps the PTI
41:26 would not have
41:28 left the party
41:30 with so much pain
41:32 and so much tension.
41:34 And in this regard,
41:38 in reference to these people,
41:40 Mr. Khan and the PTI
41:42 think that perhaps
41:44 these people should not be banned.
41:46 Sir, since there are only 2-3 people
41:48 who have understood from your statement,
41:50 please tell them so that the matter
41:52 will be clear.
41:54 In reference to Usman Dar,
41:58 I can say that
42:00 he has endured the pain of this family.
42:02 And the name of Usman Dar has come forward
42:06 that he
42:08 falls in the category
42:10 for which Mr. Khan
42:12 has a big place
42:14 in his heart.
42:16 At one time,
42:18 Malaika Bukhari was also mentioned.
42:20 And similarly,
42:24 the leader of Pakistan
42:26 Development Justice,
42:28 Mr. Abbas Bappi.
42:30 In reference to his role,
42:32 Mr. Khan said
42:34 that this person
42:36 with great courage
42:38 endured all the pain.
42:40 And we will
42:44 make Mr. Abbas
42:46 the President
42:48 of the region
42:50 of South Pakistan.
42:52 And he is
42:54 present in many committees
42:56 with us.
42:58 Maybe this list will be a little long,
43:02 for example, Shireen Mazari Sahiba,
43:04 Ali Nawaz Awan Sahib.
43:06 Yes, I forgot to mention
43:08 the name of Ali Nawaz Awan Sahib.
43:10 Ali Nawaz Awan Sahib
43:12 is also among those people.
43:14 I cannot say anything
43:16 negative about Shireen Mazari Sahiba.
43:18 But I am taking the names of
43:20 Mr. Fawad and Ali Zaidi
43:22 because they have been mentioned
43:24 in the media.
43:26 So, it does not seem difficult
43:28 for them to return.
43:30 In reference to Mr. Fawad Chaudhary's
43:32 return,
43:34 some of our PTI
43:36 friends tried
43:38 even after 9th May.
43:40 But at that time
43:42 the reaction
43:44 of the party was very
43:46 harsh. And even now,
43:48 the workers of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf
43:50 do not allow
43:52 to hear the names of a few people.
43:54 And the PTI workers
43:58 are very
44:00 upset about this.
44:02 Mr. Fawad and Mr. Ali Zaidi are among them.
44:08 Mr. Ali Zaidi
44:10 is certainly among them.
44:12 And Mr. Fawad
44:14 has tried and is trying
44:16 continuously.
44:18 And we are also seeing
44:20 that after leaving PTI,
44:22 he is also facing
44:24 continuous cases.
44:26 All these things are there,
44:28 but Mr. Khan will make
44:30 a final decision on Fawad Chaudhary's matter.
44:32 Asad Omar Sahib was a very top leader.
44:34 So, does he have any
44:36 exceptional case?
44:38 Asad Omar Sahib
44:40 I think that
44:42 when he
44:44 left the party,
44:46 so,
44:48 the second time,
44:50 that is, once he did
44:52 press conferences,
44:54 he resigned from the
44:56 party's secretary general office.
44:58 After that,
45:00 Asad Omar Sahib tried
45:02 to rejoin the party.
45:04 I tried personally.
45:06 But Mr. Khan was not
45:08 satisfied at that time.
45:10 And after a great disappointment,
45:12 Asad Omar Sahib left the party.
45:14 And this was at that time when
45:16 he was given a bribe in the
45:18 case of Cipher,
45:20 that they will remove you from this case.
45:22 And then this happened.
45:24 Asad Omar Sahib was released
45:26 from that case,
45:28 when he is mentioned in the FIR.
45:30 Now, you still meet Mr. Khan,
45:32 meet Mr. Fawad.
45:34 How long do you think
45:36 Mr. Khan will be
45:38 under the restriction of the law?
45:40 I think that
45:44 our calculations
45:46 in terms of his release,
45:48 in that,
45:50 first and foremost,
45:52 our computation
45:54 was based on the
45:56 fact that
45:58 in three cases,
46:00 his legal
46:02 and arrest,
46:04 in which he has been
46:06 punished,
46:08 one case in which the punishment was suspended,
46:10 then the second case,
46:12 which is called Toshakhana References,
46:14 in which the punishment was suspended,
46:16 then there is a Cipher case and
46:18 an Iddat case. Now, in Cipher and Iddat cases,
46:20 the punishment has not been suspended yet.
46:22 These cases
46:24 are not so serious,
46:26 but I personally understand that
46:28 earlier I used to calculate as a lawyer,
46:30 now, looking at these cases
46:32 and politics, I can say that
46:34 Mr. Khan's release
46:36 is in accordance with
46:38 the law and the
46:40 politics.
46:42 That means
46:44 that on the other side,
46:46 they have put
46:48 the case of Al-Qadir University
46:50 against Mr. Khan in a very tough
46:52 gear and the judge is
46:54 taking the case to the
46:56 punishment very quickly.
46:58 As happened
47:00 in other cases.
47:02 Now, if Mr. Khan is released
47:04 in these cases from the High Court,
47:06 then the Al-Qadir
47:08 University case will
47:10 take us more time
47:12 to suspend that punishment.
47:14 I can
47:16 safely say that
47:18 if we can
47:20 politically
47:22 protest in Islamabad
47:24 for Mr. Khan's release
47:26 within the next
47:28 month, then
47:30 Mr. Khan's release
47:32 will be easier.
47:34 And how much is the possibility
47:36 that you will do this?
47:38 The possibility
47:42 is very low,
47:44 because we are going to do it.
47:46 Are you going to protest in Islamabad
47:48 for Mr. Khan's release?
47:50 The protest can be held in Islamabad
47:54 or in any other part
47:56 of Pakistan.
47:58 Does Mr. Khan himself
48:02 want this to happen?
48:04 Mr. Khan and the party
48:08 are on the same page
48:10 in this regard that
48:14 we want to start a protest movement
48:16 after 21st April.
48:18 There are two basic objectives of the protest movement.
48:20 Mr. Khan's release and
48:22 the recovery of the mandate.
48:24 So, in the next few days,
48:26 the protest is going to take place in the near future.
48:28 Last question.
48:30 What direction does the protest
48:32 take?
48:34 It depends on
48:36 the reaction of the government of Baku.
48:38 If we are
48:40 forced to protest,
48:42 then perhaps
48:44 instead of having a traditional
48:46 protest in Lahore,
48:48 Gujranwala, or in Faisalabad,
48:50 we can start a march
48:52 in Islamabad.
48:54 But all these things
48:56 are going to be
48:58 reflected in the reaction
49:00 of the people
49:02 and the government.
49:04 Right. But the protest is taking place
49:06 and it is happening soon.
49:08 Thank you very much,
49:10 Mr. Sher Abdul Marwah.
49:12 We will meet tomorrow.