When Tinnu Anand Confronted Amitabh Bachchan On The Sets Of “Kaalia”
Tinnu Anand disclosed that he and Amitabh Bachchan had a feud on the set of the movie “Kaalia”. Watch this exclusive flashback interview on Lehren Podcast where he has shared the riveting stories of his professional life.
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00:00 Every man comes with the fate of Amitabh Bachchan.
00:03 I told you I'm not going to say this dialogue.
00:05 He said, "Sir, tell me why don't you want to say this?"
00:09 "Uncle, Agnibath,
00:12 you son of a bitch!"
00:15 I swear on my profession,
00:18 if I don't get a clap,
00:21 I'll leave this profession.
00:23 I'll never direct.
00:29 Sir, welcome to Lehren Network.
00:30 Thank you very much.
00:31 Sir, I've seen a lot of your films.
00:33 I've seen your acting, I've seen your direction.
00:35 Sir, I'd like to know about your acting.
00:37 I remember the first time I noticed you,
00:39 it was a silent film,
00:41 it was called Pushpak.
00:43 It's a murderer who
00:45 walks around with a knife made of ice.
00:47 I'd like to know about that.
00:49 You acted in this film. Tell me about it.
00:51 I got a call.
00:53 I was shooting for Aminjee.
00:55 I was directing.
00:57 I was directing Shansha.
00:59 Ending towards the end.
01:01 So, in those days,
01:05 there were no cell phones.
01:07 So, if you got a call,
01:09 it was in the reception, which was quite far
01:11 from your floor.
01:15 So, I got the news that
01:17 it was Sarika's call from Madras.
01:19 It was a drunk call.
01:21 She wanted to talk to you immediately.
01:23 It was very urgent.
01:25 She looked at me and said,
01:27 "Why did you get a call from Sarika?"
01:29 I said, "I don't understand."
01:31 I ran away.
01:33 Sarika said, "Tinu,
01:35 a film is being made in Bangalore.
01:37 It's called Pushpak."
01:39 "Kamalji is working on it."
01:41 "We had a talk with Amreeshji."
01:45 "But Amreeshji is very busy."
01:49 "We are not getting his dates."
01:53 "We tried a lot to get another actor."
01:55 "Ultimately, we lost."
01:59 "I showed Kamalji a picture of yours."
02:01 "It was yours and mine in Nirvan."
02:03 "He saw your photograph and said,"
02:07 "Who is this? I want him."
02:09 "So, you talk to Kamalji."
02:11 This is my entry into Pushpak.
02:15 Pushpak.
02:17 As far as I remember,
02:25 if I am not mistaken,
02:27 you were supposed to play
02:29 the role played by Amitabh Bachchan
02:31 in Saath Hindustani.
02:33 If you had not joined Satyajit Ray,
02:35 would you have been in the same role
02:37 as Amitabh Bachchan?
02:39 Not at all.
02:41 It was a very bad dream.
02:43 It was a very bad dream.
02:45 I never thought of it.
02:47 Not everyone is as fortunate
02:53 as Amitabh Bachchan.
02:55 There are very few actors
02:57 like Amitabh Bachchan
02:59 who work so hard.
03:01 With so much dedication.
03:03 So, forget about it.
03:05 I can never even imagine
03:07 that I would have been
03:11 in the position of Amitabh Bachchan
03:13 if I had played the role.
03:15 In those days,
03:17 Abbas was a very close
03:19 family member of mine.
03:21 Abbas was making a film,
03:23 Saath Hindustani.
03:25 He was not paid much.
03:27 I was like his son.
03:29 He asked me,
03:31 "Will you work?"
03:33 I said, "Yes, I will."
03:35 He said, "Saath Hindustani
03:37 has a very good role for you."
03:39 I said, "You act."
03:41 I said, "I will definitely do it."
03:43 So, we used to go to his office every day.
03:45 Every evening,
03:47 we used to audition
03:49 for other people, other actors.
03:51 And Abbas's temper
03:53 was very bad.
03:55 So, he thought
03:57 that if we have to
03:59 send this picture to Abbas,
04:01 then give it to Tinu.
04:03 Tinu is very close.
04:05 He never shouts at him.
04:07 So, we just saw
04:09 Amit's picture.
04:11 We saw that he is a Kishore
04:13 and he works in Kolkata.
04:15 If you call him,
04:17 he can audition for you.
04:19 He just needed permission.
04:21 He will come on his own
04:23 and audition for you.
04:25 That was the entry of Amit.
04:27 Sir, your first film with him
04:29 was Kaliya.
04:31 How you convinced him,
04:33 everyone knows.
04:35 If you have to say,
04:37 that you had a misunderstanding
04:39 or a fight because of a dialogue
04:41 or because of someone else.
04:43 How would you like to know
04:45 that you are not directing
04:47 Kaliya anymore?
04:49 We have such fights.
04:51 But this was my first fight.
04:53 It was my first film.
04:55 I was making another film
04:57 called Duniya Meri Jeb Mein.
04:59 It was made into 5 reels.
05:01 Amit had signed in Kaliya.
05:03 There is a long story
05:05 behind this.
05:07 It will take a lot of time
05:09 to tell you that story.
05:11 But it is like this.
05:13 My father was a writer.
05:15 And Urdu was his language.
05:17 And he was such a writer
05:19 that he never let any actor
05:21 change his dialogue.
05:23 Whether it was Dilip Kumar
05:25 or any other actor.
05:27 He never let anyone
05:29 change his dialogue.
05:31 Whether it was Dilip Kumar
05:33 or any other actor.
05:35 We were always alert
05:37 that if our father
05:39 adds a comma or
05:41 takes a full stop,
05:43 we will be in trouble.
05:45 I was also very strong in this.
05:47 What my father has written,
05:49 that has to be said.
05:51 It was the same thing
05:53 that day.
05:55 Amit ji came.
05:57 Maybe he was not in a good mood.
05:59 He said that this scene
06:01 is going to be done with
06:03 Pran sir.
06:05 So he said that
06:07 he will not say this dialogue.
06:09 I said, Sir, why not?
06:11 He said, I will not say.
06:13 I am coming on set.
06:15 I will do my makeup and reach.
06:17 So he came on set.
06:19 He saw that I had put
06:21 the same shot.
06:23 I was also a very stubborn man.
06:25 I had also put the same shot
06:27 when I needed that dialogue.
06:29 I was going to start with that dialogue.
06:31 He said, I told you
06:33 that I am not going to say this dialogue.
06:35 He said, Sir,
06:37 tell me why you don't want to say?
06:39 This dialogue is very important.
06:41 Last night
06:43 I was sitting with my father
06:45 till 3 o'clock.
06:47 And I was saying that
06:49 Dad, I want the dialogue
06:51 with clapping hands. And this is not the dialogue with clapping hands.
06:53 So finally he came up
06:55 with this dialogue.
06:57 Which you are saying that you don't want to say.
06:59 I know that I will get a clap on this.
07:03 He said, how do you know?
07:07 How many pictures have you made?
07:09 I said, I have made only one, sir.
07:13 I am making this only.
07:15 How many pictures have I worked in?
07:17 I said, 40.
07:19 I don't count.
07:21 But you are a very big star.
07:23 You have worked in 40 pictures.
07:25 He said, I know, every director tells me
07:29 that I will get a clap here.
07:31 And when I go to the theatre
07:33 clap is not there.
07:35 In those days he had made a picture of Madras.
07:37 Of Dev Vardhav.
07:39 Run 5.
07:41 So I said, Sir, I can say this much.
07:45 I swear on my mother.
07:47 I swear on my profession.
07:51 If I don't get a clap,
07:53 I will leave this profession.
07:55 I will never direct.
07:57 But you will have to swear today.
07:59 If I get a clap,
08:01 you will leave your profession.
08:03 Oh my god.
08:05 So Pranab was sitting there.
08:07 Parveen was also sitting there.
08:09 My entire unit was sitting there.
08:11 Work was not happening because
08:13 I left the set.
08:15 I said that if you don't say the dialogue,
08:17 I will leave the set.
08:19 So I was stopped
08:21 by Iqbal Singh producer.
08:23 He said, work is not going on inside.
08:25 So you sit and wait.
08:27 In the meantime, Amit Ji called me back.
08:29 When this confrontation happened.
08:31 So when he heard this,
08:35 I am telling him that you will leave your profession.
08:37 He got up suddenly.
08:39 He is 6 foot 4.
08:41 I got scared that
08:43 he has got up to beat me.
08:45 So he ignored me
08:47 and
08:49 his light man was standing there.
08:51 Light was off.
08:53 Because I left after turning off the light.
08:55 So he asked him, what are you looking at?
08:57 Turn on the light.
08:59 He is a very stubborn kind of director.
09:01 He will make you forget the dialogue.
09:03 I will say the dialogue.
09:05 Come on, turn on the light.
09:07 Let's say sir.
09:09 Come.
09:11 Sir, I want to know that dialogue.
09:13 What was that dialogue?
09:15 Pran sir
09:17 has got his hand in the revolver.
09:19 He has come back to Pran sir.
09:21 And he puts the revolver on his chest.
09:25 Amit Ji has escaped from jail.
09:29 Yes, he has run away.
09:31 He has been caught.
09:33 Pran sir
09:35 says that you are a fugitive.
09:37 And it is my duty to get you back to jail.
09:39 If you don't go,
09:43 then
09:45 I will bury the iron in this revolver
09:47 in your chest.
09:49 Now the dialogue comes.
09:51 You scare those who are scared of the fire of hell.
09:55 They drink the fire
09:57 by turning it into water.
09:59 Shoot them.
10:01 He didn't want to say this.
10:03 He was saying that why are you doing
10:05 lion dance here? Come straight.
10:07 I said no sir,
10:09 you will have to say this.
10:11 I went to all the shows
10:13 when the movie was released.
10:15 I went to see only one thing.
10:17 Whether there is applause or not.
10:19 And it is always there.
10:21 You gave a dialogue in Kali too.
10:31 Where we stand.
10:33 Till date that dialogue.
10:35 Till date that dialogue.
10:37 Wherever you go,
10:39 wherever you stand in the queue,
10:41 you can hear this dialogue.
10:43 You can still hear it.
10:45 It is an iconic dialogue.
10:47 And Amitji himself says
10:49 that
10:51 what did anyone know
10:53 that we made this movie in 1981.
10:55 And even today
10:57 people say those dialogues.
10:59 Wherever we stand,
11:05 the line starts from there.
11:07 This is his famous line.
11:09 In relationships,
11:11 we are your father.
11:13 Name is Shahenshah.
11:15 So these are dialogues which happen.
11:17 At the time of Shahenshah,
11:19 Amitji was in some controversy.
11:21 Was there any problem for the movie?
11:23 There was a lot of problem in the release.
11:25 In the release,
11:27 many people were there.
11:29 I won't name them.
11:31 They said that we won't let this movie
11:33 be released.
11:35 We had announced the date.
11:37 The crowd of people,
11:39 we had never seen such a crowd.
11:41 We had seen it in a Mughal-e-Azam.
11:43 And we had seen it in a Shahenshah's advance booking.
11:45 But people were standing outside
11:47 with posters that we won't let it be released.
11:49 There was a shooting at one place
11:51 outside the Gatey Galaxy.
11:53 People said that
11:55 we will keep watching the movie today.
11:57 People went inside to watch.
11:59 So automatically it was broken.
12:03 The story of the protest was broken.
12:05 People said that they won't let it be released.
12:07 But people wanted to watch it.
12:09 Thousands of people.
12:11 I would like to know one last question about
12:13 Agnipat.
12:15 I liked the acting of your uncle.
12:17 Tell me about that.
12:19 I still remember.
12:25 I still go to Alibaug.
12:27 There is a jetty called Mandwa.
12:29 There was a story about Mandwa.
12:31 If you remember.
12:33 Whenever I get down there,
12:39 I hear a voice.
12:41 Uncle! Agnipat!
12:43 You dog!
12:45 This was my curse.
12:47 My problem was that
12:51 I had very few dialogues.
12:53 Like Pushpak.
12:55 There were no dialogues in Pushpak.
12:57 Agnipat had only curses.
12:59 It was directed by Mukul Anand.
13:01 He was my uncle's son.
13:03 My father's elder brother's son.
13:07 Mukul came to me and said
13:09 You will enjoy this role.
13:13 There is nothing in it.
13:15 You can curse your mother and sister.
13:17 Keep on throwing stones at people.
13:19 I said, very interesting.
13:21 There was a crowd of 200.
13:27 In every shot.
13:29 These were all junior artists.
13:33 They had come from Bombay.
13:35 To shoot in Goa.
13:37 We had made a set in Goa.
13:39 In every shot,
13:41 I used to curse my mother and sister.
13:43 They had never heard in their life
13:45 that an actor is cursing his mother and sister
13:47 in front of a camera.
13:49 After every shot,
13:51 I used to clap.
13:53 Whenever I had a dialogue.
13:55 I used to curse my mother and sister.
13:57 Like a dog.
13:59 Amit ji and everyone else said
14:01 Danny also said
14:03 What is this?
14:05 He says that he gets a clap.
14:07 We don't get a clap.
14:09 That was his quality.
14:11 In the ending,
14:15 I had a fight with Danny.
14:17 Because Danny used to say
14:19 that he curses everyone.
14:21 He keeps on cursing his mother and sister.
14:23 Otherwise, he will cut them.
14:25 But if he curses my character,
14:27 I will shoot him.
14:29 Mukul came to me and said
14:33 Tinu, don't curse him in the shot.
14:35 You have a dialogue.
14:37 Don't curse him.
14:39 Because if you curse him,
14:41 he will either leave
14:43 or he will shoot you there
14:45 and won't let you speak the dialogue.
14:47 So avoid cursing him.
14:49 That is the dialogue.
14:51 He says
14:53 You will hit me?
14:55 You will hit me?
14:57 I bend down
15:01 and he says
15:03 Look, this is mud.
15:05 You will get into this
15:07 and I will get into this.
15:09 He says
15:11 Your father is coming.
15:13 My son Viju is here.
15:15 He says
15:17 So I did the entire thing
15:19 without giving any cursing.
15:21 Because Danny said
15:23 Mukul, if he curses, I will shoot him.
15:25 I won't let you speak the dialogue.
15:27 Your dialogue will be left.
15:29 When the dubbing came,
15:31 I knew I had to do the dubbing.
15:33 So when I picked up the mud,
15:35 I said Mother...
15:37 You improvised in that.
15:39 When the picture came in the release,
15:43 Danny said
15:45 Hey, he cursed you.
15:47 That's the trick of the actor.
15:49 But it gave me a great advantage.
15:51 I was very much
15:53 praised.
15:55 Till date, whenever I
15:57 go to Mud Island on a ferry,
15:59 everyone remembers this character.
16:01 So it's a very memorable role.
16:03 Till date.
16:05 Sir, it was really nice talking to you.
16:07 Thanks a lot. You gave your time for us.
16:09 It was really nice talking to you.
16:11 Thank you. Thank you very much.
16:13 [Music]