Many conservation efforts are run on a funding model is under challenge as they are dependent on ecotourism. With the major impact of MCO and closure of international borders is the collapse of tourism. How are conservation efforts surviving the current management of the pandemic? Melisa Idris and Sharaad Kuttan speak to Wong Siew Lyn, Co-founder of Macaranga, and Dr Wong Siew Te, Founder and CEO of Bornean Sun Bear Conservation Centre.