Some cities pivoted well in the face of the pandemic because of their prevailing design. What would we need to have to rethink, perhaps in a more radical fashion, in order to make our cities and lives more resilient? Melisa Idris and Sharaad Kuttan speak to Lillian Tay, President of the Malaysian Institute of Architects and Nurul Azreen Azlan, Senior Lecturer in Sustainable Urban Design at Universiti Teknologi Malaysia.