On this episode Jordan Harbinger talks to Mike Rowe, the host and narrator known for his work on Dirty Jobs, Somebody’s Gotta Do It, The Way I Heard It Podcast, and Returning the Favor, and the author of The Way I Heard It. They discuss everything from the vertigo-inducing debt of higher education to multi-millionaire plumbers to the purity of first takes to the idea-stifling side effects of correction culture.

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